SC2Mapster

@me8825

The counter to infestors is vindicators with something to spread them out. Ironically the best units to do that are... infestors. In any case, infestor then vindicator beats 2x infestor.

You should NOT gain a few points every game. It's a rating system, not a win count. In fact, ratings need to be fixed in the OTHER direction. In chess, the highest rating EVER was 2851. There are multiple battlecraft players with ratings over 3000, and I have a rating of 3100. That's downright ridiculous. Two players fighting one should not be rated as the sum of their ratings.

Giving nukes a delay, and some straggling survivors, is a good idea. Perhaps an effect that crosses the map killing as it goes, to still allow defensive nukes?

Infernos are actually good in a few very important places. If you can get them close, they are deadly, even to the patriarch. Mules are by far the best tanking unit, especially against templar. I use them all the time.

Most towers don't need a buff, they are already excellent. Zerg towers are incredibly effective because they can soak up damage, and the siege tank can be microed to kill support units (photon cannon and turret suck). I would still buy them if heroes weren't so much more important now.

@tordecy

It does matter that terrazine benefits both offensive and defensive play. It's adding complication for no reason. Pointless complexity is not fun. Actually, it does do one negative thing: makes medium armies non-viable. I'm either sending bits and pieces, or huge armies. Medium armies are overkill for control, and poorly rewarded on income.

I already know the dominant strategy was to just force the pool timer to stay above a hundred. I said that. I also said it was not fun.

Why would I spend 400 on a tower if I'm just going to salvage it? I need that money for terrazine income.

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I've been playing Battlecraft for more then 6 months and after being reset several times am now at 2100+ points. I love this game and its definately my favorite sc2 map but i still have some complaints.

[1.] Infestors= I rarely if ever lose to them but i'm tired of being stuck with weak players who die to them almost instantly. In the hands of a good player Infestors become overpowered and difficult to kill.

The most common counter used in games that i've seen are vindicators which against a good players are rarely if ever cost effective. I always hear people talking about how easy they are to counter, yet whenever i watch them try to do it in a game against a good player its basically never cost effective.

Small things i think would help to balance it:
-Lower its damage to 80-90 so it can't as easily kill zerglings, marines, and weaker units in 1-2 hits.
[and]
-Lower the infestors hp from 250 to 225 or 200.

[2.] Armageddon I love the concept but its way too effective. More then 80% of the games i lose are because of armageddon. In a 2v1 situation its almost a game ender every time. Also when used with a hero it basically makes the hero impossible to kill without using your own hero.

You made it so you lose no points for losing in a 1v2 yet its just as easy to die in a 2v2 against armageddon and yet you lose tons of points.

Changes i think would help:
-Countdown Timer= After Armageddon is purchased have a 3-5 second countdown timer, that can be seen by every player in the game, before it kills all the enemy units.
[or]
-Instead of having it kill every enemy unit have armageddon only kill 60-80% of the enemy units. This would give the person whos units were killed time to regain some minerals or rebuild another army.

[3.]Weak Units= Some units are too weak and are only used by noobs who have yet to realize how badly these units suck.

-Infernos Berserker= Has basically no use against a good player and is hardly ever used
-Battlecruiser= Used by noobs but very easily countered for less then half of its cost.
-Final Seraphim= Too easy to kill and is countered by basically everything.
-Skysplitter Demon= Has a few uses but could use a small buff.
-Mule= Somewhat useful in the beginning of the game but a power cost of 150 would be better.
-Diamondback= Easily demolished by any decent combo, could use a 10-20% hp boost.
-All Towers= Make then 100 or 200 minerals more but with 50-75% more hp.

[4.] Rating System- Its way way way to hard to get more points when you get higher up. Its completely idiotic that you get no points for winning some games, yet you can lose tons. You should get atleast 1-3 points no matter who your playing against or who kills there enemy first. I honestly couldn't care less if someone played there friend 300 times to gain 300 points. If there really that bad there rating will be knocked back down to where it should be over time.

This is a game of teamwork theres no reason that the first person to kill there enemy should get points but there teamate shouldn't. more then 50% of my games involve both me and my allie working together to kill 1 person first then the other using Armageddon or by sending him minerals, so points should atleast be shared 66% to the first person to kill there allie and 33% to the 2nd if not 50/50.

I think the changes have overall been bad for the map. It's not as fun anymore. A few problems:

• The terrazine incentives are fighting each other. You want to send bits and pieces to control the center and pool timers, but you want huge groups to jump the timer high.
• The pool timer is not fun. Waiting for it to drop is a rationally dominated strategy. It's a perverse reversed game of chicken.
• The center control is at odds with how Battlecraft works. You don't push each other back and forth like in nexus wars, you let them get close so you have control over the situation.
• Removing the top score bonus made score matter too little. Who cares if you have two levels on me? That's not enough to overcome my defensive advantage, so I'll just catch up over time.
• Ultimate heroes are cheaper and stronger than booming.
• Towers are now a waste of money, taking up supply you could need for heroes.

I suggest:

• Move heroes towards more of a support role, and give them all direct counters. The sniper is an excellent support unit, and the omegalisk is an excellent 'has a counter' unit. On the other hand, the patriarch has archons that mess up counters and is generally too well rounded.
• Simplify the terrazine income mechanism, and remove the perverse incentives. A straight +50% of spawn mineral cost would be interesting.

I think banelings need to be nerfed or changed slightly. Right now they are too strong because they counter not only all 100 cost units, but sever other units that cost 125 and 150. They even counter other units that cost as much as 500 such as the uber zealots. You can just spend like 375-500 and get all the points for killing them while the opponent gets nothing at all.

My suggestion would be to still have detonated banelings give your opponents points, but maybe only half as many as for killing them.

hey just an idea, what do you think about an armageddon blocker? for example you have an army that cant be killed by armageddon. im kind of sick people doing nothing the whole game, then when you finally have a big enough army, they just arma.

Fuck the new hotkeys I quit.

i've posted about this bug earlier with a replay

here it is again Link Removed: http://www.mediafire.com/?dt7qtk23259bpf5

ok i managed to capture the error message if it helps in debugging.

it says something error in the RQV, divide by 0

i've had both situations happen sometimes it goes to ally if map is empty, sometimes it goes across if another enemy is still there or empty, it happens in 2v0 (not against comp), 2v1, or 1v1

Ok this new bug is happening more and more often getting really annoying... if a player loses and quits instantly, there's this bug that will not generate a win condition... instead the next round will start and no opponents to fight... then you hv to force quit and lose ratings...