SC2Mapster

Alright, new version has some problems.

• Switching the pylon from 5 to 6 is a bad idea. Keep your hotkeys consistent. Put the new building at 6.
• I have no idea what's making terrazine go up. Don't "explain it later", that's incredibly rude. Explain it now. It seems to be linked to spending, but sometimes players seem to get a lot more than others. What the heck is going on?!
• It's far, far too easy to get good heroes. Nothing can kill a patriarch out at the 9 minute mark. It's ruining the game.
• The terrazine-for-score bonus is laughably awful (especially compared to a patriarch).
• The temporary +3 income is not good enough to beat +2 permanent. An extra 300 minerals 5 minutes from now won't win the game, and then it's all downhill. Drop it to 2 gas, or increase the bonus and decrease the time.

I'm very impressed with the new map guys.The only problem for me personally is the damn hotkeys being moved I'll get it but it gets frustrating at times because they're so engraved into my soul.lol.But WOW so many more strategic elements:) !! I just hope that it doesn't become a game that has 1 swift way to win strategy wise like a tripple gem or anything.and void rays seem abit to op like back in the beta days,guards are still to op to and im scared that ppl are gonna use ht and infestors way to much because of energy.what do you guys think?

@tordecybombo: Go

Nah we just joke with it sometimes on nubs.Like sendem suicide and rush to base.

Tordecy what about a random terrain generator or just sets.Grass,desert,space ect

@tordecybombo: Go

Sounds good to me:)

@Strilanc: Go

Very amazing facts man.When Ken found that abby trick out I was so amazed I took a shower.

Anyways guys here are a few BC ideas I would like to see happen someday.

1.New colors for crystals. Yellow-green-blue-red. Anything would do.

2.Lowered Infestor health. Or make them cost 350.

3.Lowered Guardian health. They just too op.

4.Make Scrouge do more damage.There useless.

5.Carriers for 600. I think it would be well worth the effort.

6.Suicide cooldown time 3:45 / 4:00.

7.1 boom. Or 15 minute cooldown at the original price.

8. 3 gas for Upgrade attack. Or 4 but I think 3 would be the way to go.

9.Take away or raise the cap for supply. Because even if someone did build even 6 towers they would get patted. And noobs would learn after 1 game.

10.Marines seem abit to weak. Maybe add 1 or 2 more. Balance is what I'm going for.

11.Final heroes. 4 supply 11 gas depending on how hardcore they are. Dono seems right haha

12.-test,-minerals,-vespene, after game ends. Or a Training mode of some sort. Got that 1 from Strilanc:)

13.-stats. RP|RW|DQ|LK|LL|ALT|ART. Most people don't know what they stand for so maybe just put them all here or add to tips.I'm not even sure about all of them.

14.More options for the SCV after death. Or give the supply depos a bit more health.

15.It's not hard to tell that the first hero page needs work. Needs much more structure. Maybe just make them all stronger accordingly. Take a few away add a few.

16.Brutalisk as a hero or elite. I would like that.

17.I think by making lurkers psionic, it might make vindicators to op,throwing the game back out of balance. Less life should help. Whatever happens tho hopefully it won't effect agro in a negative way. Maybe even simply lowering the attack a smidge.

18.Someday I would like to play it in a grassy forest type terrain. Or just something a bit different. Don't get me wrong I LOVE this game but after playing 4k times something like that would be awesome!

Please feel free to comment,criticize w/e

@tordecybombo: Go

Do it the old way, much smarter ;)

More interesting facts:

• You can use your towers to set off aberrations. Hit em with your tank and they'll cross the map in a few seconds and make great back up.
• Sentries become hilariously strong if you get enough upgrades (use aggro top score and gas), because sentries get armor upgrades. I hit 95 armor once, and it was amazing. At that point only a few units can even hurt them.
• If you spawn units at the right moment as you die, they aren't killed with the pylon.
• If an enemy has a tank tower and you have an scv, you can use decoys to cause the tank to splash the tower. I've seen a pylon almost die to this being done repeatedly.
• Gas silently maxes at 13.
• You can trade minerals with your dead ally (they can also hold 2K), allowing you to effectively have a maximum of 4K minerals.

Known bugs, oddities, and abuses in the game:

• The timer increase for making a 400 mineral tower is 20s, but it only applies when you spawn your next wave. You can abuse it to avoid hitting the timer maximum (70) when defending. Spawn the tower last, instead of units, wait for the timer to go back down, then spawn something small.
• Towers are able to attack your own units. You can abuse it in aggro mode to bypass sending units / facing aggro units. Spawn something slow to increase the timer, kill it, repeat.
• After a player has suicided, their next unit (sometimes) gives all the kill score of the suicided units. Not sure how to avoid it. Killing your own units (with a tower) or waiting a while before allowing another unit to die seems to help.
• If a player leaves right after a round ends, before the next round countdown, they have income and a pylon the next round (the income shares to their ally).
• If a player leaves during the round countdown, they leave behind a pylon but no income.
• If a player leaves, they still cause aggro units to spawn. Particularly bad at the beginning of the game, because there will be two aggro waves out by the time the pylon dies.
• If a player dies then leaves, their ally gets a shared-control scv, bonus income and bonus gas. But if a player leaves as they die, you only get the gas. Very annoying because the scv can block unstable gems.
• The scv can block infestor shots.
• Heroes spawn below the pylon. North can rely on spawning a hero to tank, but south can't.

The patriarch's chain splash shouldn't hit the pylon, and it might be a good idea to cut it to one big archon.

@Strilanc: Go

All true and thanks for putting that up.But could you imagine if you had all the counters when you started.Sure it's situational but that can be learned much faster than trial and effort.And definently learn the hotkeys make that 2z for lings and artform:)

I don't think a list of counters is particularly useful, because so many of them are situational. Just scaling the quantities flips what counters what. Plus the important counters are against combos of units. There's just too much useful information to fit on the unit info panes. Not to mention the critical high level knowledge.

Notable high level knowledge:

• Timing. You want your units together and in the right order when they hit the enemy.
• Conserving. There is not point in attacking unless you expect to do damage (either to their pylon, their towers, their nuke, or their resources).
• Positioning. Fighting close to your pylon prevents your counters from being countered and means reinforcements don't get side-swipped. But fight too close and a concave will form around your pylon, creating a death zone on your spawn point. AoE units are particularly important to position correctly. For example, lurkers need to be barely defended, so enemy units get nice and close.
• Fear the nuke. Make your armies as small as possible, because huge armies get nuked. Counter big armies in stages if you can, to avoid having all your units exposed at the same time. The worst thing you can do is wait until a huge army is close then spend all your money to counter it.
• Last resorts. Learn the hotkeys to nuke, mineral boost, unstable gems and infested terrans. You might not have time to mouse them.

Notable counters that flip as the numbers change:

• Ultralisks counter reapers, but mass reapers counters ultralisks.
• Vultures counter lurkers, but lurker+ling crushes vultures.
• Vindicators counter infestors, unless the vindicators are bunched together in which case you usually have to spend just as much.
• Vindicators counter ghosts hilariously well, even if they have cover, but one on one it's not worth it.
• Zerglings beat marines, but mass marines beats mass zerglings.
• Thors counter mass air, but are so expensive you're usually better off with a handful of hydras or ghosts even against 3 groups (especially if you have a tower).

Notable counters for common combos:

• 1 tank beats 1 marauder + 2 ghost
• 1 tank beats 1 archon followed not too closely by 1 colossus
• 1 ultralisk beats zergling + baneling / reaper
• 1 queen beats 1 vulture + 1 hellion

I was thinking about getting together with a few pros and making a complete list of all the units and there counters.And I have quite a few other ideas.If your interested please don't hesitate to hit me up.Anytime:)

@Skioski: Go

Really meow? Didn't know that, then again I don't die much :P

I hate the random 'drop' glitch. You lose soooo many points before the game even starts.

Also, I love aggro mode, but there should be a dual-rating system for aggro and non-aggro. That could be interesting and could possibly boost the games popularity a ton. Screw Nexus Wars and all that other junk, BC is where it's at.

@Strilanc: Go

Why is it that when you suicide b4 u die you don't lose many points:p