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War-hammer Vs. Blizzard RTS

okay here's what I understand

• War-hammer was a 1980s board game that Ripped off Lord of the Rings... because the makers of Warhammer couldnt buy LOTR board game rights.

• Blizzard wanted to buy the rights to war-hammer for a video game War-hammer said no, so blizzard made their own that used 2 characters from the war-hammers series... Humans and the Orc..

Warcraft Defense

Humans

• The only surviving people of the Homo Genus population. Arrived 200,000 Years ago...

To me this means that The use of humans is no different then using a Cat or a dog in your game... ITS NOT STOLEN YOU NOOB!!!

Orc

• a race of mythical human-like creatures, generally described as fierce and combative, with grotesque features and often black, grey or greenish skin. This mythology has its origins in the writings of J. R. R. Tolkien. derived from Old English orc 'demon'

So an orc is a creature made up in the 1700s

Starcraft

in the start of the Starcraft omnibus, Chris Metzen says that Starcraft was originally going to be a STARWARS game, not a warhammer one.

Space Marine

• The first space marine unit, the Galactic Marines, was used in E. E. Smith's Lensman series, published starting in 1937.[citation needed], but the lesser known Bob Olsen (1884-1956) also wrote a few stories and novelettes about Space Marines in Amazing Stories ("Captain Brink of the Space Marines", November 1932; "The Space Marines and the Slavers", December 1936).

So space marine was WAY BEFORE war-hammer aswell? AMAZING!!!! another Warhammer fanboy put down in the dirt and stomped on.

The defense rest, Trolls, Elves Ogres, Knights, Turtles, Dwarves, and Goblins are well known to take place in Greek Mythology. and during the Dark ages.

Warhammers Accusations

• The games "Starcraft" and "Warcraft" are rumored to be based on the table top game "Warhammer" and "Warhammer 40,000", it is rumored that Warcraft was supposed to be a Warhammer PC game in development but a fall out between Gamesworkshop and Blizzard occurred. One link to this rumor can be found in "Warcraft III", if you repeatedly click a griffon rider he will say "This Warhammer costs 40K", 40K being a shortening of 40,000.

• Old english word meaning Demon? HORSE SHIT they stole it from us because we had a board game.... that we TOTALLY didnt steal from Dungeons and Dragons. or LOTR.... dumbass.

No real evidence Other then that blizzard tried to buy the rights to warhammer. And even this is only something I have been told and i cant find proof of anywhere on the internet.

Final words

Warhammer sucks... Tis true. thats my opinion though, I just dont like their community or their games. they are to me something I would play to wait for the next blizzard RTS.

As far as Games go, Blizzard beat the Warhammer series on dates of release usually by one or two years. Warhammer stole the idea from blizzard to make a medieval fantasy RTS game. but blizzard made one better. and then the space RTS once again blizzards was better, but there was another RTS that was a space RTS I forget what it was called.

If I have Misread or Missed anything that can be proven on a legitimate website on the internet PLEASE post a link.. But honestly this whole blizzard stole this or that is bull shit, None of these Creatures were exactly Original in the first place by anyone for over 100 years lol.

Rumors

• I brought this up with my local GW manager, and he explained to me that back in the day all of the Warcraft guys used to play Warhammer. They came to GW one day and asked if they could make a game, GW being the old crabby man that it is refused and then Warcraft came out, Starcraft soon to follow.

There you go, I just gave your thread a point.

@Mozared: Go

Very amusing.

I like Relic RTS (Homeworld, Company of Heroes... the Warhammer ones were fun too) more than Blizzard RTS.... wait, what is this thread about?!

This thread is a look at mostly facts, about if Blizzard stole from Warhammer.

I think the whole space marine thing was based on how Marines and Space Marines look pretty much identical, not the names.

Then there's things like the Tyranids and the Zerg and stuff. Not really worth arguing about in my opinion but never mind. The Dawn of War warhammer games are fantastic though.

Hadn't realised people accused Blizzard of ripping off fantasy warhammer with warcraft, its all just pretty much generic fantasy from both side.

OMG! Blizzard stole Warhammer design! They used WH units in SC2! :D :D :D

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Those look like Very poor prototypes lol.

@Alevice: Go

Wahh? i only see a minor resemblance for the protoss, Lol, In one the only similarity is they can be blue.. in the other one its just a longated skull, nothing else is the same.

as for the orcs, there are alot of similarities, Green, Tusk, Barbarians

And I did some research just now, and the Orcs that blizzard would have copied looked nothing alike, Since Warhammer didnt have a game that wasnt a board game .

I see very little resemblance, I would actually have to say that Blizzard made their orc, and then warhammer kind of copied a little bit of the art style, they used the Word orc first, but blizzard made the actual races looks.

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This thread is a look at mostly facts, about if Blizzard stole from Warhammer.

The only real thing you're doing is looking at accusations people often throw at Blizzard and give your own opinion. Opinions are not facts.

Actually I've never heard the accusation that Blizzard "stole" ideas for Warcraft I. I've only heard such things about Starcraft.

It's really hard to find actual intel about the topic, because neither Games Workshop nor Blizzard officially said much about this.

I've found the following on TVTropes.org:

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Might it be because Wikipedia for the longest time specifically stated that Blizzard had started development on a Warhammer 40000 game, but negotiations broke down, and so they retooled it into Starcraft?
Actually, in the start of the Starcraft omnibus, Chris Metzen says that Starcraft was originally going to be a STARWARS game, not a warhammer one.

I couldn't find more info about the "starcraft omnibus". Maybe someone else can enlighten me?

Here's another lengthy feature about the subject: Link

And someone actually asked a GW dude about it:

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I brought this up with my local GW manager, and he explained to me that back in the day all of the Warcraft guys used to play Warhammer. They came to GW one day and asked if they could make a game, GW being the old crabby man that it is refused and then Warcraft came out, Starcraft soon to follow.

Fun fact:

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The games "Starcraft" and "Warcraft" are rumored to be based on the table top game "Warhammer" and "Warhammer 40,000", it is rumored that Warcraft was supposed to be a Warhammer PC game in development but a fall out between Gamesworkshop and Blizzard occurred. One link to this rumor can be found in "Warcraft III", if you repeatedly click a griffon rider he will say "This Warhammer costs 40K", 40K being a shortening of 40,000.

However, Warhammer:40k, Alien and Starship Troopers were iconic of the science fiction space genre that I'm sure Blizzard has drawn ideas and inspiration from them. Like many others did. And that's not a bad thing. They didn't blatantly copy but evolved the ideas into something else. That's how humans do it since the dawn of time: We copy, learn and improve.

Watch this video: http://vimeo.com/19447662
(if you don't have the patience, skip to 3:15)
It shows how incredibly much the original Star Wars movie copied from other sources. Still - wasn't that one of the greatest movies ever made?

Alright thanks Ill add what you found in the appropriate sections, i just put that meme fanboy rant under warhammer because its all I hear with no proof.

If its true that blizzard had talked to Warhammer guys about making a Warhammer game, then I say that Warhammer stole the idea to make a video game from blizzard :D lol

EW!!!, i found one of the Space Marine board peices look at this, it has very little looks compared to the BLizzard marines, in Sc1, remember this is all Warhammer 40k had before their game that came a year after Starcraft 1

Of course this could be because of Early development and concept art

THough I have to say that Blizzard based their games on the Warhammer SETTING but nothing was really stolen, but that could be because of pre development.

The reason for my earlier post was to point out this thread has no point. Warcraft and Starcraft are based on ridiculously common concepts in western society that aren't AT ALL hard to think off. It's similar to Sc2Mapster's Mapcraft vs TeamLiquid's Mapcraft. The reason I was never fussed by their show's name is because let's face it: "Mapcraft" is a name anyone who plays StarCraft could come up with. I don't think TL 'stole' our name, they just came to the same name when thinking things through.

It's the same story here. Warcraft's Orcs are based on mythological Orcs from writings from 18th century romanticists, who in turn based their Orcs on writings of 7-12th century monks who had copied old Roman stories who in turn 'stole' their Orcs from the ancient Greek society. And I doubt they 'originally' came up with it either. The reason these "X stole Y from Z" debates are pointless when it comes to simple mythological creatures is because all of these things are literally centuries old, and it's all a ripoff anyway.

I find starcraft marines boring and ugly (tuchiys was kinda cool though).

but warhammer space marines are so badass with all those chainsaw swords and guns!

I'm not trying to bash warhammer, not until I get a chance to actually play it other then Spacemarine, which sucks...

Im just saying that blizzard was original enough to where its not even a ripoff, Thats all.

@Alevice: Go

Also, I just looked for Board peices that warcraft and starcraft would have been based off of, The ones from the 1980s.

I Didnt even realize they had the books, dont know what year they came out though.

Edit: Checked the years on those books, all came out AFTER warcraft and starcraft Except 3 books, in which none of them had any art pertaining to anyhting remotely relevent, EXCEPT the wolf riders idea, Though this idea could have been formed in the 18th century as alot of the others.

So the Current Space Marine style, large plates, yadda yadda came out after.

Though in all honesty it doesnt matter, its the gameplay and graphics that matter. :D

and I cant comment on warhammer games EXCEPT space marine... which kinda sucks. its like a6.5 or 7/10

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The reason for my earlier post was to point out this thread has no point. Warcraft and Starcraft are based on ridiculously common concepts in western society that aren't AT ALL hard to think off. It's similar to Sc2Mapster's Mapcraft vs TeamLiquid's Mapcraft. The reason I was never fussed by their show's name is because let's face it: "Mapcraft" is a name anyone who plays StarCraft could come up with. I don't think TL 'stole' our name, they just came to the same name when thinking things through.

It's the same story here. Warcraft's Orcs are based on mythological Orcs from writings from 18th century romanticists, who in turn based their Orcs on writings of 7-12th century monks who had copied old Roman stories who in turn 'stole' their Orcs from the ancient Greek society. And I doubt they 'originally' came up with it either. The reason these "X stole Y from Z" debates are pointless when it comes to simple mythological creatures is because all of these things are literally centuries old, and it's all a ripoff anyway.

You are truly the wisest man on this side of the earth. Nothing else to do about this post than to agree with it.

-I'm assuming you are located on either side of our planet, right?