So once again they reset popularity list today...gg any new upcomming map making its way up the list. Its all back to what it fucking was a month ago now. NOBODY cares about this or you all go about this way to nicely. Seeing as its September 11th this greatly reminds me of why these things happen. Everyone would rather sit on the mighty hardon of Blizzard then call them out on this BS. Same thing happend Sep 11th, i'll quote Lewis Black as i think he said it perfectly. "If you had someone who you worked with at an office who just f*cked up like these idiots did, they would be gone!. I know its kind of wierd to compare these two things lol but you have to look at the point that im trying to make here. Its over,
Blizzard is fcking done and you all know it. The new generation of gamers are full of trolls and ignorance and its only going to get worse. Why? Well because the less intelligent the consumer gets the less the company will give a fck about them, why would you bust your ass for someones loyalty who would get on all fours and blow you even if you did something as horrible as murder their mother lol. Also, before i get the usual flame Bounty crap... dont be a f*cking idiot and take the word "Everyone" literally, you know what im trying to say so please dont twist it. I say everyone because quite frankly it is 99% of the community so it basically is everyone.
So.. yeah. I dont even remember what exactly i just said because it all came from the heart but im still going to post lol.
No, the reason those bad maps got there is because of that moronic idea of freezing popularity. Thats how they got there, if you take that away and let the popularity build up THEN do a 100% reset you completely destroy any chance of a good (possibly great) new upcomming map of makings its way up the list.
FYI, People have been complaining about this to Blizzard Since Beta. Im sure they plan on implementing changes to the popularity system in due time. People complained about chat channels, Blizz said they`d add it. They do take our views/comments/opinions into consideration. Just for launch, The system had to appear very noob friendly, So the masses could easily understand. They said Battle.net 2 will continue to "evolve" with more updates.
Anyways. What cool maps are getting ignored at the moment? :p. I was honestly looking for something to play on EU, but lulz, everything was kinda crap.
FYI, People have been complaining about this to Blizzard Since Beta. Im sure they plan on implementing changes to the popularity system in due time. People complained about chat channels, Blizz said they`d add it. They do take our views/comments/opinions into consideration. Just for launch, The system had to appear very noob friendly, So the masses could easily understand. They said Battle.net 2 will continue to "evolve" with more updates.
Idk... Na here... but my map LITE is decent at least... it's basicly the light cycles from tron, and has never been popular. I can deal with that tho, but what I can't deal with is the fact that 2 other maps that have the same idea but were executed horribly I have seen get 100 plays an hour on mutiple occasions. I'm not dissing their map without a reason. For instance, their maps have about a siege tank spacing between the blocks that follow behind the bikes. That's just sad. Sigh... /end rant /end off topic.
When the game first came out everyone was up in arms about this right? Of course, and they were 100% right just as i am now, because i am saying the same thing lol. BUT the problem is its fcking insulting to the entire world imo that all it took was the words "We know it sucks, we're working on it" to get everyone to turn the other cheek. How long ago was that response? Have we really had anything else? Oh thats right, Patch 1.1 and beyoooonD! Lovely, but why no comments in between?
This is a serious problem and should be treated as a serious problem. Blizzard should be giving us updates on the situation rather then saying "something is happening". Then everytime they do somethign to the popularity list or i get 50 pages of nexus wars you have to realize that its fcking over lol. You have to find it abit odd that almost nobody ever disagreed or had an issue with anything Blizzard did pre Wow era...
When the game first came out everyone was up in arms about this right? Of course, and they were 100% right just as i am now, because i am saying the same thing lol. BUT the problem is its fcking insulting to the entire world imo that all it took was the words "We know it sucks, we're working on it" to get everyone to turn the other cheek. How long ago was that response? Have we really had anything else? Oh thats right, Patch 1.1 and beyoooonD! Lovely, but why no comments in between?
This is a serious problem and should be treated as a serious problem. Blizzard should be giving us updates on the situation rather then saying "something is happening". Then everytime they do somethign to the popularity list or i get 50 pages of nexus wars you have to realize that its fcking over lol. You have to find it abit odd that almost nobody ever disagreed or had an issue with anything Blizzard did pre Wow era...
Ok ive refrained from asking this in the past... how old are you? really? You dont seem to understand how a massive company like this has to work, They said they are working on it, The more crap we send at them, IS NOT going to seed it up, its blizzard, they give us updates when it makes sense to.
Ive been following blizzard for over 12 years.... They know how to handle crap, All spamming the same crap does is make their mods busy by deleting double posts.
Here's a question: How would YOU make the popularity system work instead? Like how would you have it function from top to bottom? I've been a part of a few projects that have delt with both rolling (that reset periodically) and constant ranking systems and its not as easy as it sounds. How'd you do it?
In other words I understand the problems associated with trying to build such a system, now blizzard is many people and professionally employed for the purposes of creating such things...but yah its not as easy as saying 'change it'.
I'm 25 and i know how this works. You say you've followed blizzard for 12 years? Thats even worse that you can try to go against what im saying then. You're going to tell me that you dont see any major differances in how Blizzard is treating their community? They know how to handle crap...? C'mon man either im always wrong or you just always go against me in every forum and thread i make lol. The fact is Blizzard has way to much "confidence" (call it whatever you want im not quite sure what word to use) and to ME it appears as if they are going the typical corporate route of exploiting that. IE They can get away with anything.
The fact that i've had someone argue with me about why there are no chat channels prooves this.(Really? You're going to tell me that if i havent see the battlenet code my opinion that there is no excuse for no chat channels is wrong? whatever) Blizzard was a great loyal company to us for a long time but you have to see it for what it is, they are f*cking us because they know they can. You can go ahead and flame me and call me immature for actually caring and having an opinion but why dont you actually try to proove what im saying not to be true rather then state how you lose respect for me and how immature i am.
Here's a question: How would YOU make the popularity system work
instead? Like how would you have it function from top to bottom? I've
been a part of a few projects that have delt with both rolling (that
reset periodically) and constant ranking systems and its not as easy as
it sounds. How'd you do it?
In other words I understand the problems associated with trying to build
such a system, now blizzard is many people and professionally employed
for the purposes of creating such things...but yah its not as easy as
saying 'change it'.
<</quote>>
Actually it is quite easy, in my opinion here is what you do.
Quite a few people have suggested to not scrap the popularity system, and i agree. The reason the popularity system fails is because this is not a system that could ever work by itself, it just cant. The answer is of course tabs, have the old wc3 system in one, popularity in the other and have the featured be its on tab. Also, i think instead of having that rating system on maps that people suggest we should have a sort of "vote to be featured" button. To many dbags would be downvoting maps for the wrong reason. You cant downvote a map to not be featured, you just dont vote for it lol. The combination of the wc3 and popularity system would actually make the pop list work. Maps would not need popularity to gain popularity.
because you are not proving anything yourself, your starting a topic, going off on a rampage and thats it. What proof do you have that they dont care? You have no idea what they are working on, and the fact that they are adding chat channels proves they do care what we think. Yes every post im losing respect.. because you dont make a topic to discuss something, you come out "This is how it is F*ck blah blah" noone wants to have a discussion with this kind of crap. I would have sworn you were a kid.. that tells something about how your topics are coming off to people ... remember how you outline your facts and make a topic reflects what people think on your view. If its overblown and you look like your having a hissy fit, people arnt going to trust your facts.
Right now your saying this
- We told blizzard we hated it
- Blizzard said, ok we are going to fix it
- you go, no update, they dont care, how dare they, lets all go QQ.
The world won't end because the popularity system is broken. Blizzard is gradually coming up with a solution ( Everything Blizzard does is gradual, you'll just have to get over it ).
they are f*cking us because they know they can fix it
Fixed your post.
Mayhaps you should ask yourself why reseting the popularity bothers you so much? Is it cause your map isn't popular? Or is it because you can't get enough people to play it to make it popular? The popularity reset enables new maps to reach the top, instead of the same maps getting played more and more, and more. How is that a bad thing? Want your map noticed? Post it on the forums here and ask folk to play it. If it's good, they'll play it again, and let they're mates know, who'll play it etc...
How long do you think it takes to code something? mins? hours? days? Do you really think all they need to do is change one line of code and everything will magically work? How about all the other things that reference it? How about the controls, how about the publishing side of it? It all takes time, and it has to be tested for bugs, and then, if they can't find anymore issues, then they'll release it. But, and I hate to be the one to tell you this, they've got more important things to deal with, such as the game itself. You wanna whine, go hit your head off a wall, and stop trying to force your opinions on everyone else.
Yes, there are fuckups on Blizz's part, but they're working on getting them fixed, no company releases a game 100% perfect. Deal with it.
- you go, no update, they dont care, how dare they, lets all go QQ.
.... what?
<</quote>>
That is not what i said at all and you know it. What i said was that people have agreed that this is a major issue since day one and its pathetic that all it took was that one response from a blue over a month ago and people just went back and said ok i guess it will be ok. I guess everyone forgot that Blizzard knew about all this way back in beta when everyone pretty much kept telling them "Dont do this". So you're saying we should not be getting an update? I dont know about you but i have not seen this amount of "blue" silence on a topic in the history of Blizzard, so forgive me if i feel alittle insulted by them on this. Also, i just want to bring up something kind of ironic, Blizzard little motto "It'll be done when its done", yeah well it wasnt done and blizzard knew it. Its amazing how you cannot show a single emotion without being called immature of a child, yet you sit there and twist my words in your little list. You're 100% right if i had said those exact words i would most likely be a child lol, but that is not what i said.
This will all be forgotten once the system finally does get revised. As a long-time Blizzard fan I'm not about to start faulting them for taking too long.
So once again they reset popularity list today...gg any new upcomming map making its way up the list. Its all back to what it fucking was a month ago now. NOBODY cares about this or you all go about this way to nicely. Seeing as its September 11th this greatly reminds me of why these things happen. Everyone would rather sit on the mighty hardon of Blizzard then call them out on this BS. Same thing happend Sep 11th, i'll quote Lewis Black as i think he said it perfectly. "If you had someone who you worked with at an office who just f*cked up like these idiots did, they would be gone!. I know its kind of wierd to compare these two things lol but you have to look at the point that im trying to make here. Its over,
Blizzard is fcking done and you all know it. The new generation of gamers are full of trolls and ignorance and its only going to get worse. Why? Well because the less intelligent the consumer gets the less the company will give a fck about them, why would you bust your ass for someones loyalty who would get on all fours and blow you even if you did something as horrible as murder their mother lol. Also, before i get the usual flame Bounty crap... dont be a f*cking idiot and take the word "Everyone" literally, you know what im trying to say so please dont twist it. I say everyone because quite frankly it is 99% of the community so it basically is everyone.
So.. yeah. I dont even remember what exactly i just said because it all came from the heart but im still going to post lol.
.............. Blizzard reset popularity = Good
USERS are bring old maps up = bad,
theres nothing wrong with blizzard reseting popularity, its a good thing.
Blizzard is working on it, you just need to take a deep breath.
@Molsterr
No, the reason those bad maps got there is because of that moronic idea of freezing popularity. Thats how they got there, if you take that away and let the popularity build up THEN do a 100% reset you completely destroy any chance of a good (possibly great) new upcomming map of makings its way up the list.
@Bounty_98: Go
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalm Doooooooooooooooooown.
FYI, People have been complaining about this to Blizzard Since Beta. Im sure they plan on implementing changes to the popularity system in due time. People complained about chat channels, Blizz said they`d add it. They do take our views/comments/opinions into consideration. Just for launch, The system had to appear very noob friendly, So the masses could easily understand. They said Battle.net 2 will continue to "evolve" with more updates.
Anyways. What cool maps are getting ignored at the moment? :p. I was honestly looking for something to play on EU, but lulz, everything was kinda crap.
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Idk... Na here... but my map LITE is decent at least... it's basicly the light cycles from tron, and has never been popular. I can deal with that tho, but what I can't deal with is the fact that 2 other maps that have the same idea but were executed horribly I have seen get 100 plays an hour on mutiple occasions. I'm not dissing their map without a reason. For instance, their maps have about a siege tank spacing between the blocks that follow behind the bikes. That's just sad. Sigh... /end rant /end off topic.
Look, heres why im so upset about this.
When the game first came out everyone was up in arms about this right? Of course, and they were 100% right just as i am now, because i am saying the same thing lol. BUT the problem is its fcking insulting to the entire world imo that all it took was the words "We know it sucks, we're working on it" to get everyone to turn the other cheek. How long ago was that response? Have we really had anything else? Oh thats right, Patch 1.1 and beyoooonD! Lovely, but why no comments in between?
This is a serious problem and should be treated as a serious problem. Blizzard should be giving us updates on the situation rather then saying "something is happening". Then everytime they do somethign to the popularity list or i get 50 pages of nexus wars you have to realize that its fcking over lol. You have to find it abit odd that almost nobody ever disagreed or had an issue with anything Blizzard did pre Wow era...
Ok ive refrained from asking this in the past... how old are you? really? You dont seem to understand how a massive company like this has to work, They said they are working on it, The more crap we send at them, IS NOT going to seed it up, its blizzard, they give us updates when it makes sense to. Ive been following blizzard for over 12 years.... They know how to handle crap, All spamming the same crap does is make their mods busy by deleting double posts.
@Bounty_98: Go
Here's a question: How would YOU make the popularity system work instead? Like how would you have it function from top to bottom? I've been a part of a few projects that have delt with both rolling (that reset periodically) and constant ranking systems and its not as easy as it sounds. How'd you do it?
In other words I understand the problems associated with trying to build such a system, now blizzard is many people and professionally employed for the purposes of creating such things...but yah its not as easy as saying 'change it'.
I'm 25 and i know how this works. You say you've followed blizzard for 12 years? Thats even worse that you can try to go against what im saying then. You're going to tell me that you dont see any major differances in how Blizzard is treating their community? They know how to handle crap...? C'mon man either im always wrong or you just always go against me in every forum and thread i make lol. The fact is Blizzard has way to much "confidence" (call it whatever you want im not quite sure what word to use) and to ME it appears as if they are going the typical corporate route of exploiting that. IE They can get away with anything.
The fact that i've had someone argue with me about why there are no chat channels prooves this.(Really? You're going to tell me that if i havent see the battlenet code my opinion that there is no excuse for no chat channels is wrong? whatever) Blizzard was a great loyal company to us for a long time but you have to see it for what it is, they are f*cking us because they know they can. You can go ahead and flame me and call me immature for actually caring and having an opinion but why dont you actually try to proove what im saying not to be true rather then state how you lose respect for me and how immature i am.
Solve it all = Revamp it to have it like WC3's Custom Map list =/
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@Bounty_98: Go
Here's a question: How would YOU make the popularity system work
instead? Like how would you have it function from top to bottom? I've
been a part of a few projects that have delt with both rolling (that
reset periodically) and constant ranking systems and its not as easy as
it sounds. How'd you do it?
In other words I understand the problems associated with trying to build
such a system, now blizzard is many people and professionally employed
for the purposes of creating such things...but yah its not as easy as
saying 'change it'.
<</quote>>
Actually it is quite easy, in my opinion here is what you do.
Quite a few people have suggested to not scrap the popularity system, and i agree. The reason the popularity system fails is because this is not a system that could ever work by itself, it just cant. The answer is of course tabs, have the old wc3 system in one, popularity in the other and have the featured be its on tab. Also, i think instead of having that rating system on maps that people suggest we should have a sort of "vote to be featured" button. To many dbags would be downvoting maps for the wrong reason. You cant downvote a map to not be featured, you just dont vote for it lol. The combination of the wc3 and popularity system would actually make the pop list work. Maps would not need popularity to gain popularity.
@Bounty_98: Go
because you are not proving anything yourself, your starting a topic, going off on a rampage and thats it. What proof do you have that they dont care? You have no idea what they are working on, and the fact that they are adding chat channels proves they do care what we think. Yes every post im losing respect.. because you dont make a topic to discuss something, you come out "This is how it is F*ck blah blah" noone wants to have a discussion with this kind of crap. I would have sworn you were a kid.. that tells something about how your topics are coming off to people ... remember how you outline your facts and make a topic reflects what people think on your view. If its overblown and you look like your having a hissy fit, people arnt going to trust your facts.
Right now your saying this
- We told blizzard we hated it
- Blizzard said, ok we are going to fix it
- you go, no update, they dont care, how dare they, lets all go QQ.
.... what?
The world won't end because the popularity system is broken. Blizzard is gradually coming up with a solution ( Everything Blizzard does is gradual, you'll just have to get over it ).
Fixed your post.
Mayhaps you should ask yourself why reseting the popularity bothers you so much? Is it cause your map isn't popular? Or is it because you can't get enough people to play it to make it popular? The popularity reset enables new maps to reach the top, instead of the same maps getting played more and more, and more. How is that a bad thing? Want your map noticed? Post it on the forums here and ask folk to play it. If it's good, they'll play it again, and let they're mates know, who'll play it etc...
How long do you think it takes to code something? mins? hours? days? Do you really think all they need to do is change one line of code and everything will magically work? How about all the other things that reference it? How about the controls, how about the publishing side of it? It all takes time, and it has to be tested for bugs, and then, if they can't find anymore issues, then they'll release it. But, and I hate to be the one to tell you this, they've got more important things to deal with, such as the game itself. You wanna whine, go hit your head off a wall, and stop trying to force your opinions on everyone else.
Yes, there are fuckups on Blizz's part, but they're working on getting them fixed, no company releases a game 100% perfect. Deal with it.
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Right now your saying this
- We told blizzard we hated it
- Blizzard said, ok we are going to fix it
- you go, no update, they dont care, how dare they, lets all go QQ.
.... what?
<</quote>>
That is not what i said at all and you know it. What i said was that people have agreed that this is a major issue since day one and its pathetic that all it took was that one response from a blue over a month ago and people just went back and said ok i guess it will be ok. I guess everyone forgot that Blizzard knew about all this way back in beta when everyone pretty much kept telling them "Dont do this". So you're saying we should not be getting an update? I dont know about you but i have not seen this amount of "blue" silence on a topic in the history of Blizzard, so forgive me if i feel alittle insulted by them on this. Also, i just want to bring up something kind of ironic, Blizzard little motto "It'll be done when its done", yeah well it wasnt done and blizzard knew it. Its amazing how you cannot show a single emotion without being called immature of a child, yet you sit there and twist my words in your little list. You're 100% right if i had said those exact words i would most likely be a child lol, but that is not what i said.
You know what forget it, i guess im alone in this.
I'm done lol
@Bounty_98: Go
Fight DA POWA BROTHA!~
This will all be forgotten once the system finally does get revised. As a long-time Blizzard fan I'm not about to start faulting them for taking too long.
Blizzard will and can fix this and they will do it in there own time.
For instance; World of Warcraft dungeon Finder/LFG system.