I would agree with you if the project workplace was full of junk and crap, but most of it is actually pretty decent content.
At the end of day if one of two threads get made a week, with just 'hey look at this', I don't see it as a big deal at all and certainly not justifying a whole forum split.
Remember threads get updated overtime with more content, so you may get the odd random thread now and then, but more content often comes overtime.
I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding. Project worklpace IS a place for 'hey look at what im working on' Thats your project. which is why we dont want to merge it with suggestions forum...they are not the same.
also project workplace was never split in the first place... project workplace is one of the forums that has never changed.
If you actually look in the Project Workplace go through the threads, you'll see that the vast majority of it is actually working playable maps or almost definitely working towards it. Very few are 'look at this' atleast strongly in the minority.
If people want to show of art they go in the artists tavern, shows off a trigger trig forum etc. It's all map stuff in there.
You want as many people as you can viewing your threads, that's the idea of the forums. Some of the most interesting comments come from purely random people browsing. It's very encouraging to get many replies.
Having Idea / WIP / BETA together in 1 section is viable and would work.
thats what im saying tho... they should all be posted there... and they are.. thats the forum for it... we dont have another forum for anything like that.
You wanted to merge suggestions forum.... which is what we are saying shouldnt... Im the one who got that forum going...and its working out well, as people are now posting on post that would have been sent to page 20 cuase noone was posting.... ill quote my post for wanting the suggestion forum.
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There seem to be a lot of people coming and posting topics should as
these are just three recent threads, as of right now...the general section is the only place for them, but under the "player zone" i was thinking of maybe a new section "map suggestions" or "map requests" something of the sort. where people can post these kind of requests or ideas. With the traffic that we will soon be getting, it wouldt hurt to have this section just in case. This would also give skilled map makers that currently have...err "moders block" to work on a project someone else would like to see.
that was the point of that forum...which is why it dosnt belong in project workplace.
if someone is working on something, or has an idea THEY are working on, then yeah, project workplace is the place to go.
Those thread could fit into any section on the forums thou tbh.
Even better just make a sticky thread, the 'Request a Map to be made' and that clears out alot of it.
but why? they already now have a section, plus one thread for many ideas.. would make it hard for people to post. Point being just that it dosnt fit to be merged with project workplace is all.
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Those people sign up make 1 post, beg for a map and never come back on. Doesn't justify a section in my eyes.
Compared with people spending months trying to promote and build projects. Look at Corruption - Act 1, looks amazing, the guys bumping it like crazy down there, no 1 will see it thou.
Those people sign up make 1 post, beg for a map and never come back on. Doesn't justify a section in my eyes.
Compared with people spending months trying to promote and build projects. Look at Corruption - Act 1, looks amazing, the guys bumping it like crazy down there, no 1 will see it thou.
thats what I dont understand what your trying to say? why does haven one forum.... make another fourm not good.. thats the point of haven two...so junk from one. dosnt hurt the good forum (project workplace).
Yes people come here and just post 1 post in the suggestions forums...which is one of the reasons we made it..for organization....
If you trying to say "suggestions is up higher, and people see it, while they dont see project workplace" we already agreed thats a good idea lol. [you should by no means "give up", im one mod.. among many, my ideas/thoughts dont mean it wont happen...ect]
What I'm mainly trying to get across is, people can't be bothered to going through each and every forum section, looking at threads and replying. One unifying section gets more views and people are more likely to notice threads and reply.
A small minority of people posting random threads with little value, can be tidied up and merged by moderators.
If you go on team liquid, post anything in the custom map scene, with some decent content you'll often get 10 replies that day even within a few hours. Although yes there user base is huge and bigger, note that only a fraction actually visit their custom map section.
If they started splitting the map section into various map sections, I guarantee you the replies would drop down massively.
My suggestions are solely to improve the community and give people a reason to make threads about their projects.
What I'm mainly trying to get across is, people can't be bothered to going through each and every forum section, looking at threads and replying. One unifying section gets more views and people are more likely to notice threads and reply.
A small minority of people posting random threads with little value, can be tidied up and merged by moderators.
If you go on team liquid, post anything in the custom map scene, with some decent content you'll often get 10 replies that day even within a few hours. Although yes there user base is huge and bigger, note that only a fraction actually visit their custom map section.
If they started splitting the map section into various map sections, I guarantee you the replies would drop down massively.
My suggestions are solely to improve the community and give people a reason to make threads about their projects.
yeah.. but what your saying... is what we are saying is already here.. project workplace IS that place for your projects, its the only place. if someone wants to look at maps, project workplace is the only place. everything you have said, is what project workplace is. thats where im getting confused. Every single one of use agree splitting it up would be bad..which is why we dont want to..and never will.
Map feedback/project workplace seem rather similar imo. Maybe atleast put the project thingy up to top of forums. I would like that
yeah we are talking about removing map feedback for that very reason actually, and yeah, we also all agree having the projects on the top would be great. But like we said, only problem there is broken links...which sucks. Soon as some more people give their thoughts in the backstage we can make these changes easy.
People can review random maps here, if they so choose
Merge Map Feedback and Project Workplace
For anybody with a work in progress or finished map that wants feedback.
Possibly move the order forums are listed [?]
We shall see how this goes over in the staff forum O.o It's not perfect, but I think it's a needed change (not necessarily the only one)
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As you pointed out earlier...I don't know why this happens, but.. If we use our mod powers to move a thread, the links still work. But moving a forum breaks everything.
As you pointed out earlier...I don't know why this happens, but.. If we use our mod powers to move a thread, the links still work. But moving a forum breaks everything.
yeah thats what I said in backstage but we cant move them ourselves.. when we move the section, they will auto move, and after about a month, the links will break (which is how it happend when we moved tutorials... OH THE BROKEN LINKS!!! was horrible)
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I think Project Workspace is out of place. I understad the Resources forums are the place where you share your resources with the community. Tutorials, Trigger Libraries & Scripts, Art Assets, Data Assets and Third Party Tools should be enough to sort all the resources made by the community members. On the other hand, if you want to make a new map and you want to get feedback from the community, then you should post it into the Map Feedback forum.
I would also ask the mods to move all the threads posted into a wrong forum. Lately I've been seeing lots of wrong threads in the General Chat forum, such as random questions about the editor, map projects and resources. That's not what I'm looking for if I come into the General Chat forum.
I think Project Workspace is out of place. I understad the Resources forums is the place where you share your resources with the community. Tutorials, Trigger Libraries Scripts, Art Assets, Data Assets and Third Party Tools should be enough to sort all the resources made by the community members. On the other hand, if you want to make a new map and you want to get feedback from the community, then you should post it into the Map Feedback forum.
I would also ask the mods to move all the threads posted on a wrong forum. Lately I've been seeing lots of wrong threads in the General Chat forum, such as random questions about the editor, map projects and resources. That's not what I'm looking for if I come into the General Chat forum.
Yeah we all agree it was always in the wrong section... I made that object a very long time ago actully.
as for the moving stuff in wrong forums... I cant speak for the other mods.. but as I already said.. thats the main thing I do =P [tho I do see some others -wont name names- who post in them and dont move then -looks at- =P ]
A lot of times I just view them right from 'active threads" and don't even see one out of place. But if I actually click on a category and something is in the wrong place, I'll move it.
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if you are willing, anything is accessible... that's the only part of "forums" (anywhere) that (i think) allows for posters to being condescending to other posters (while redirecting with a link ;) ).. (one must take several (gasp sigh sob rage) hard earned minutes to visit the site's map (lol :) ).. several hours to start "getting it".. and an extended leave of days to visit it proper .. probably months to really get it.. and a few days to slip on a banana peel)...
i love "project workplace".. but i agree that putting it "on top" would bring clutter and "might ruin it"... there are no easy solutions when you are trying to do good...
Someone talked about tl: hahahahahahahaha .. tl has yet to decently feature anything galaxy related (or much of anything per tutti (lousy portal innuendo).. they are sitting on a gold mine (players' circulation) and are "holding the fort empty"! They are laughable in this regard .. they think it's of no use to them .. they refuse any movement (they don't even showcase star1 nostalgia tribute... lolololol) .. they are uber fucken conservatives and all by lack of brains and knowing of what's good for them... makes me really sad...
i love melee and custom games alike.. so i love mapster more than tl.. tl is a grandstanding glorified immobile waste station, mapster is a manor in the sky...
ps: i agree with captain igloo that posters should post in the proper forums, how this should be done is "?"
ps: i still think a stickied thread for GUIDES (for players to understand how to play mods to their fullest) is missing from sc2 general though ;^p
I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding. Project worklpace IS a place for 'hey look at what im working on' Thats your project. which is why we dont want to merge it with suggestions forum...they are not the same.
also project workplace was never split in the first place... project workplace is one of the forums that has never changed.
No I understand you very clearly :)
If you actually look in the Project Workplace go through the threads, you'll see that the vast majority of it is actually working playable maps or almost definitely working towards it. Very few are 'look at this' atleast strongly in the minority.
If people want to show of art they go in the artists tavern, shows off a trigger trig forum etc. It's all map stuff in there.
You want as many people as you can viewing your threads, that's the idea of the forums. Some of the most interesting comments come from purely random people browsing. It's very encouraging to get many replies.
Having Idea / WIP / BETA together in 1 section is viable and would work.
thats what im saying tho... they should all be posted there... and they are.. thats the forum for it... we dont have another forum for anything like that.
You wanted to merge suggestions forum.... which is what we are saying shouldnt... Im the one who got that forum going...and its working out well, as people are now posting on post that would have been sent to page 20 cuase noone was posting.... ill quote my post for wanting the suggestion forum.
that was the point of that forum...which is why it dosnt belong in project workplace.
if someone is working on something, or has an idea THEY are working on, then yeah, project workplace is the place to go.
I personally think that the names of the categories should be changed. "Player Zone". That doesn't tell me anything about the forums in the category.
Great to be back and part of the community again!
its for players.. aka people playing rofl. But if you have an idea by all means shoot.
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Those thread could fit into any section on the forums thou tbh.
Even better just make a sticky thread, the 'Request a Map to be made' and that clears out alot of it.
but why? they already now have a section, plus one thread for many ideas.. would make it hard for people to post. Point being just that it dosnt fit to be merged with project workplace is all.
Well I give up :/
Those people sign up make 1 post, beg for a map and never come back on. Doesn't justify a section in my eyes.
Compared with people spending months trying to promote and build projects. Look at Corruption - Act 1, looks amazing, the guys bumping it like crazy down there, no 1 will see it thou.
thats what I dont understand what your trying to say? why does haven one forum.... make another fourm not good.. thats the point of haven two...so junk from one. dosnt hurt the good forum (project workplace).
Yes people come here and just post 1 post in the suggestions forums...which is one of the reasons we made it..for organization....
If you trying to say "suggestions is up higher, and people see it, while they dont see project workplace" we already agreed thats a good idea lol. [you should by no means "give up", im one mod.. among many, my ideas/thoughts dont mean it wont happen...ect]
What I'm mainly trying to get across is, people can't be bothered to going through each and every forum section, looking at threads and replying. One unifying section gets more views and people are more likely to notice threads and reply.
A small minority of people posting random threads with little value, can be tidied up and merged by moderators.
If you go on team liquid, post anything in the custom map scene, with some decent content you'll often get 10 replies that day even within a few hours. Although yes there user base is huge and bigger, note that only a fraction actually visit their custom map section.
If they started splitting the map section into various map sections, I guarantee you the replies would drop down massively.
My suggestions are solely to improve the community and give people a reason to make threads about their projects.
yeah.. but what your saying... is what we are saying is already here.. project workplace IS that place for your projects, its the only place. if someone wants to look at maps, project workplace is the only place. everything you have said, is what project workplace is. thats where im getting confused. Every single one of use agree splitting it up would be bad..which is why we dont want to..and never will.
Map feedback/project workplace seem rather similar imo. Maybe atleast put the project thingy up to top of forums. I would like that
yeah we are talking about removing map feedback for that very reason actually, and yeah, we also all agree having the projects on the top would be great. But like we said, only problem there is broken links...which sucks. Soon as some more people give their thoughts in the backstage we can make these changes easy.
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We shall see how this goes over in the staff forum O.o It's not perfect, but I think it's a needed change (not necessarily the only one)
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yeah thats what I said in backstage but we cant move them ourselves.. when we move the section, they will auto move, and after about a month, the links will break (which is how it happend when we moved tutorials... OH THE BROKEN LINKS!!! was horrible)
I think Project Workspace is out of place. I understad the Resources forums are the place where you share your resources with the community. Tutorials, Trigger Libraries & Scripts, Art Assets, Data Assets and Third Party Tools should be enough to sort all the resources made by the community members. On the other hand, if you want to make a new map and you want to get feedback from the community, then you should post it into the Map Feedback forum.
I would also ask the mods to move all the threads posted into a wrong forum. Lately I've been seeing lots of wrong threads in the General Chat forum, such as random questions about the editor, map projects and resources. That's not what I'm looking for if I come into the General Chat forum.
Yeah we all agree it was always in the wrong section... I made that object a very long time ago actully.
as for the moving stuff in wrong forums... I cant speak for the other mods.. but as I already said.. thats the main thing I do =P [tho I do see some others -wont name names- who post in them and dont move then -looks at- =P ]
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A lot of times I just view them right from 'active threads" and don't even see one out of place. But if I actually click on a category and something is in the wrong place, I'll move it.
Project Workplace right at the very TOP? yes Please!!
mapster, like any site worth a damn, is a city...
if you are willing, anything is accessible... that's the only part of "forums" (anywhere) that (i think) allows for posters to being condescending to other posters (while redirecting with a link ;) ).. (one must take several (gasp sigh sob rage) hard earned minutes to visit the site's map (lol :) ).. several hours to start "getting it".. and an extended leave of days to visit it proper .. probably months to really get it.. and a few days to slip on a banana peel)...
i love "project workplace".. but i agree that putting it "on top" would bring clutter and "might ruin it"... there are no easy solutions when you are trying to do good...
Someone talked about tl: hahahahahahahaha .. tl has yet to decently feature anything galaxy related (or much of anything per tutti (lousy portal innuendo).. they are sitting on a gold mine (players' circulation) and are "holding the fort empty"! They are laughable in this regard .. they think it's of no use to them .. they refuse any movement (they don't even showcase star1 nostalgia tribute... lolololol) .. they are uber fucken conservatives and all by lack of brains and knowing of what's good for them... makes me really sad...
i love melee and custom games alike.. so i love mapster more than tl.. tl is a grandstanding glorified immobile waste station, mapster is a manor in the sky...
ps: i agree with captain igloo that posters should post in the proper forums, how this should be done is "?"
ps: i still think a stickied thread for GUIDES (for players to understand how to play mods to their fullest) is missing from sc2 general though ;^p