SC2Mapster

Zerglings do good vs stalker. You're not calculating the balance properly. zerglings give 1 mineral per kill, and spawn every 1.5 seconds. They're the cheapest merc, where stalkers are pretty expensive.

Give the zerglings 2 upgrades to make them equilavant to the stalker's merc cost, and pit 10 zerglings against 1 regular stalker, then tell me if they're too under powered, because I'd bet they'd do pretty good.

The game is still Marine Arena, Marines still come out on top. The recent changes dont make any units over powered, it just changes their combat style to suit different counters. I'm osrry but the same strategies wont always follow over into the newest versions, you'll have to learn to adjust your strategies. The new merc upgrades only give their worth in cost for upgrades, with a few minor bonuses - but it also increases their bounty and repair cost, so they are not as overpowered as you might think.

I myself have had absolutely no problem with stalkers. Sure they might be killing lots of my marines, but the bounty hes getting from my marines, compared to the 10 (15 on lancer) bounty im getting from his stalkers is alot better. Also the fact that his marines are still spawning and arent being upgraded, there's a huge army of marines I get to melt away.

Phase 2 broke the spectre and I cant seem to get him fixed. He works if I morph him through an editor test, but in battle.net he crashes.

Im going to try an do a couple balances and do a few fixes before the beta ends, I want to try and get a gameplay video out too.

Also I'm not sure what you mean by roach warrens increasing in costs? They're set to be purcahsed at 650, and when one dies, their cost is halved. The way this is setup is once a roach warren dies, it disallows the current "Buy Roach Mercs" ability, and replaces it with "Rebuild Roach Mercs". I'm looking at the rebuild cost and it still says 325.

@scmapcritic

I dont think this is happening, I see the marauder splash damage is set to .5 'fraction', not bonus, so the splash damage should be half, not double.

Well I can see what you mean about the center being discouraging at the moment, but this map is still in the beta, and I dont have access to the full editor to add in all the item shops.

The marine shop and beacon are buggy because they're done with triggers, I'm going to change this when I have the full editor and can give them an ownership change behavior/ability - the one that will be used on the true item shops.

My plan is to have a center beacon which has a few defensive abilities, and 4 shops (the blimps originally represented where I was going to place the shops on the first MA). 2 of the shops will be item shops, 2 will be ability/upgrade shops. Also there will be true heroes, I could add in heroes now, but I dont want to add in those buggy scratch built heroes and have to delete them on launch.

The mercs having high damage to a point where you cant tech your armor above them is what I wanted. They need to be tougher than normal units, since they spawn less frequently, and have much higher bountys. I already have them scaled very close to be in balance with most other units. Sure stalkers might slaughter marines, but marines are 1/5th the bounty and they spawn 5x faster. If 5 marines with upgrades equal to the stalker's compound cost can beat 1 stalker, or do some serious damage - thats pretty even.

Some people think mercs are overpowered, but trust me, teched marines always comes out on top if the player managed them well. A massive swarm of cheap, good damage, good health, high range, and super fast attack speed marines that are reproduced in only a few minutes will beat pretty much any merc - the only problem is getting them there is tough because the marines are very weak early game.

The original MA was base stats, this was just games where it was marines -> hellion, every game. Base stats might work if the spawning and bounty's were adjusted, but I'm not going to do this. However, this gives me an idea for a game mode, I might add a mode that scales everything to base stats, but this probably wont come till after launch, and classic marine arena will stay roughly how it is now.

@scmapcritic

Yeah like eliarkmm said, the sides enable more strategic playing. The player with the most upgrades will always dominate, this was the problem with the earliest versions of marine arena. I made the sides larger so people could use the terrain to their advantage, it forces people to micro and manages their units well.

• I might change the sight for the center, having it lower in terrain gives an advantage to those outside the center. But then again if you were holding the sides aswell, you would also gain vision of the center.

• The middle shop and center beacon are as good as I can get them for now. You'll have to wait until launch when blizzard releases the real shop change ownership behavior/abilities. Right now they're solely done by triggers because I havent figured out how to create the ownship behavior from scratch.

• The "wonky" attack damage is there for balancing, some mercs need to be better against other units, so some have +Armored attack, to fight stalkers, some have +light to fight light units, etc. If I set everything to base, the game would become highly unbalanced and all my balancing work over the past few months would be undone.

• The cap on upgrades was to make sure no one got too good, to the point where they annihilate armys in seconds, but most games end before anything is even capped entirely. Although the cap was set on a pretty early version of marine arena, I might remove it since the game is getting more dynamic now.

• Hardened sheilds effect only the shield of the temple zealot. If you're fighting temple zealots, I suggest you counter that by fast attacking units like teched marines/rauders, or lancer stalkers. Dont pit a slow attacking unit like an ultralisk against an army of temple zealots.

It might cost you some money to switch mercs to counter another persons, but if you think about it, having their counter will pay itself off in your kills.

Solved the problem, blizzards last update threw some games out of sync during load up. Setting it to "wait for key" sovles the problem, since everyone will be synced when the game starts.

I dont know how to fix this, there must be a problem with the new client update because I've only changed the one trigger, and the debugger shows no problems with the triggers causing lag.

@eliarkmm

Yeah I found the bug for this, and I think I've got it fixed now, just had the wrong variable number for the spawning.

@NotDeadYet3

You can set bounty's for enemy kills in the data editor for the units, look for "Kill Resource"
To get it to spawn units, make a trigger where an action happens, then a condition that needs to apply to continue the trigger, then an event which "create units at point facing angle" and make it create a marine in region (or point) x.