I think Project Workspace is out of place. I understad the Resources forums is the place where you share your resources with the community. Tutorials, Trigger Libraries Scripts, Art Assets, Data Assets and Third Party Tools should be enough to sort all the resources made by the community members. On the other hand, if you want to make a new map and you want to get feedback from the community, then you should post it into the Map Feedback forum.
I would also ask the mods to move all the threads posted on a wrong forum. Lately I've been seeing lots of wrong threads in the General Chat forum, such as random questions about the editor, map projects and resources. That's not what I'm looking for if I come into the General Chat forum.
Yeah we all agree it was always in the wrong section... I made that object a very long time ago actully.
as for the moving stuff in wrong forums... I cant speak for the other mods.. but as I already said.. thats the main thing I do =P [tho I do see some others -wont name names- who post in them and dont move then -looks at- =P ]
As you pointed out earlier...I don't know why this happens, but.. If we use our mod powers to move a thread, the links still work. But moving a forum breaks everything.
yeah thats what I said in backstage but we cant move them ourselves.. when we move the section, they will auto move, and after about a month, the links will break (which is how it happend when we moved tutorials... OH THE BROKEN LINKS!!! was horrible)
Map feedback/project workplace seem rather similar imo. Maybe atleast put the project thingy up to top of forums. I would like that
yeah we are talking about removing map feedback for that very reason actually, and yeah, we also all agree having the projects on the top would be great. But like we said, only problem there is broken links...which sucks. Soon as some more people give their thoughts in the backstage we can make these changes easy.
What I'm mainly trying to get across is, people can't be bothered to going through each and every forum section, looking at threads and replying. One unifying section gets more views and people are more likely to notice threads and reply.
A small minority of people posting random threads with little value, can be tidied up and merged by moderators.
If you go on team liquid, post anything in the custom map scene, with some decent content you'll often get 10 replies that day even within a few hours. Although yes there user base is huge and bigger, note that only a fraction actually visit their custom map section.
If they started splitting the map section into various map sections, I guarantee you the replies would drop down massively.
My suggestions are solely to improve the community and give people a reason to make threads about their projects.
yeah.. but what your saying... is what we are saying is already here.. project workplace IS that place for your projects, its the only place. if someone wants to look at maps, project workplace is the only place. everything you have said, is what project workplace is. thats where im getting confused. Every single one of use agree splitting it up would be bad..which is why we dont want to..and never will.
Those people sign up make 1 post, beg for a map and never come back on. Doesn't justify a section in my eyes.
Compared with people spending months trying to promote and build projects. Look at Corruption - Act 1, looks amazing, the guys bumping it like crazy down there, no 1 will see it thou.
thats what I dont understand what your trying to say? why does haven one forum.... make another fourm not good.. thats the point of haven two...so junk from one. dosnt hurt the good forum (project workplace).
Yes people come here and just post 1 post in the suggestions forums...which is one of the reasons we made it..for organization....
If you trying to say "suggestions is up higher, and people see it, while they dont see project workplace" we already agreed thats a good idea lol. [you should by no means "give up", im one mod.. among many, my ideas/thoughts dont mean it wont happen...ect]
Those thread could fit into any section on the forums thou tbh.
Even better just make a sticky thread, the 'Request a Map to be made' and that clears out alot of it.
but why? they already now have a section, plus one thread for many ideas.. would make it hard for people to post. Point being just that it dosnt fit to be merged with project workplace is all.
thats what im saying tho... they should all be posted there... and they are.. thats the forum for it... we dont have another forum for anything like that.
You wanted to merge suggestions forum.... which is what we are saying shouldnt... Im the one who got that forum going...and its working out well, as people are now posting on post that would have been sent to page 20 cuase noone was posting.... ill quote my post for wanting the suggestion forum.
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these are just three recent threads, as of right now...the general section is the only place for them, but under the "player zone" i was thinking of maybe a new section "map suggestions" or "map requests" something of the sort. where people can post these kind of requests or ideas. With the traffic that we will soon be getting, it wouldt hurt to have this section just in case. This would also give skilled map makers that currently have...err "moders block" to work on a project someone else would like to see.
that was the point of that forum...which is why it dosnt belong in project workplace.
if someone is working on something, or has an idea THEY are working on, then yeah, project workplace is the place to go.
I would agree with you if the project workplace was full of junk and crap, but most of it is actually pretty decent content.
At the end of day if one of two threads get made a week, with just 'hey look at this', I don't see it as a big deal at all and certainly not justifying a whole forum split.
Remember threads get updated overtime with more content, so you may get the odd random thread now and then, but more content often comes overtime.
I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding. Project worklpace IS a place for 'hey look at what im working on' Thats your project. which is why we dont want to merge it with suggestions forum...they are not the same.
also project workplace was never split in the first place... project workplace is one of the forums that has never changed.
You should see the stuff we make work by doing all this workaround funny crap... the main boxes you see on the news page... yeah those arnt really there.. thats a news post that hidden, and then a javascript inserts them before the first news div... . I even worked on a way to make fake news posts (that fully works) because we dont have a way to give ranks the way we want... but we make it work with crazy ideas like that.... so trust me, your mods are trying.
Wtf is that bullshit? normal forums have a code for the thread, shown at the url, and then an assigend subforum. No matter hoe you move it, the thread is there, always. Like a pointer.
In this case, they shouldn't break anyway, you only need to replace the forum section at the url, nope?
This forums lacks stuff, and now I discover the stuff we have sucks. Damn Curse :(.
We know.... trust me... if we had coding power... these forums would be kicking =(
The only reason map review and map feedback arnt one, is the mod who use to (or still does.. I never see him post) didnt want them to be one section... I kinda agree those should have always been one. Map suggestions and project workplace should by no means be the same. They are not the same at all, in fact that section was made to keep all the "Hey guiz I haz an idea for some1 to make" threads out of the main section", and its done its job very well. We want project workplace for people to show off their projects or ideas, and not be cluttered with randoms peoples map ideas they want others to make.
edit: Moveing project workplace to a higher up section (so you see it right away) is a grand idea.. but you run into the big problem of massive broken links.
You should only split when there's a clear over flux of threads, as in when relatively new ones get quickly knocked down the page too fast.
and thats why some of them were...
re-edit: trust me... we are thinking hard on ways to get more people here, and to help people show off their maps.... it is the point of the site after all. as zelda said... we talk about this all the time between mods thinking of things to do.
What I dont think people get... is they were one forum at the start.. in fact we SPLIT them from being one, because it was needed, maken them one, is by no means the solution, at all.
I don't think that's enough, we need a page with the last 50 active, or with all the threads sorted by date no matter the subforum.
Sadly, thats not something thats going to happen any time soon. Though something like that would take maybe 40 seconds to make, we have no php control over the site, else id agree a way to view a large list of new posts would be great.
And most of the time we just move the topics... at least I do.. but im currently ..."away". when im in hardmode sc2mapster mode, you wont see question topics in the general section, simple as that.
and remember, just because you dont read the other forums, dosnt mean others done.. questions will get answered 10 fold faster in the correct section. Most of the people that post in those sections, dont read the general section.
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Yeah we all agree it was always in the wrong section... I made that object a very long time ago actully.
as for the moving stuff in wrong forums... I cant speak for the other mods.. but as I already said.. thats the main thing I do =P [tho I do see some others -wont name names- who post in them and dont move then -looks at- =P ]
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yeah thats what I said in backstage but we cant move them ourselves.. when we move the section, they will auto move, and after about a month, the links will break (which is how it happend when we moved tutorials... OH THE BROKEN LINKS!!! was horrible)
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yeah we are talking about removing map feedback for that very reason actually, and yeah, we also all agree having the projects on the top would be great. But like we said, only problem there is broken links...which sucks. Soon as some more people give their thoughts in the backstage we can make these changes easy.
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yeah.. but what your saying... is what we are saying is already here.. project workplace IS that place for your projects, its the only place. if someone wants to look at maps, project workplace is the only place. everything you have said, is what project workplace is. thats where im getting confused. Every single one of use agree splitting it up would be bad..which is why we dont want to..and never will.
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thats what I dont understand what your trying to say? why does haven one forum.... make another fourm not good.. thats the point of haven two...so junk from one. dosnt hurt the good forum (project workplace).
Yes people come here and just post 1 post in the suggestions forums...which is one of the reasons we made it..for organization....
If you trying to say "suggestions is up higher, and people see it, while they dont see project workplace" we already agreed thats a good idea lol. [you should by no means "give up", im one mod.. among many, my ideas/thoughts dont mean it wont happen...ect]
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but why? they already now have a section, plus one thread for many ideas.. would make it hard for people to post. Point being just that it dosnt fit to be merged with project workplace is all.
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its for players.. aka people playing rofl. But if you have an idea by all means shoot.
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thats what im saying tho... they should all be posted there... and they are.. thats the forum for it... we dont have another forum for anything like that.
You wanted to merge suggestions forum.... which is what we are saying shouldnt... Im the one who got that forum going...and its working out well, as people are now posting on post that would have been sent to page 20 cuase noone was posting.... ill quote my post for wanting the suggestion forum.
that was the point of that forum...which is why it dosnt belong in project workplace.
if someone is working on something, or has an idea THEY are working on, then yeah, project workplace is the place to go.
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I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding. Project worklpace IS a place for 'hey look at what im working on' Thats your project. which is why we dont want to merge it with suggestions forum...they are not the same.
also project workplace was never split in the first place... project workplace is one of the forums that has never changed.
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You should see the stuff we make work by doing all this workaround funny crap... the main boxes you see on the news page... yeah those arnt really there.. thats a news post that hidden, and then a javascript inserts them before the first news div... . I even worked on a way to make fake news posts (that fully works) because we dont have a way to give ranks the way we want... but we make it work with crazy ideas like that.... so trust me, your mods are trying.
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We know.... trust me... if we had coding power... these forums would be kicking =(
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The only reason map review and map feedback arnt one, is the mod who use to (or still does.. I never see him post) didnt want them to be one section... I kinda agree those should have always been one. Map suggestions and project workplace should by no means be the same. They are not the same at all, in fact that section was made to keep all the "Hey guiz I haz an idea for some1 to make" threads out of the main section", and its done its job very well. We want project workplace for people to show off their projects or ideas, and not be cluttered with randoms peoples map ideas they want others to make.
edit: Moveing project workplace to a higher up section (so you see it right away) is a grand idea.. but you run into the big problem of massive broken links.
and thats why some of them were...
re-edit: trust me... we are thinking hard on ways to get more people here, and to help people show off their maps.... it is the point of the site after all. as zelda said... we talk about this all the time between mods thinking of things to do.
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What I dont think people get... is they were one forum at the start.. in fact we SPLIT them from being one, because it was needed, maken them one, is by no means the solution, at all.
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Sadly, thats not something thats going to happen any time soon. Though something like that would take maybe 40 seconds to make, we have no php control over the site, else id agree a way to view a large list of new posts would be great.
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And most of the time we just move the topics... at least I do.. but im currently ..."away". when im in hardmode sc2mapster mode, you wont see question topics in the general section, simple as that.
and remember, just because you dont read the other forums, dosnt mean others done.. questions will get answered 10 fold faster in the correct section. Most of the people that post in those sections, dont read the general section.