@Gradius12: Go
you already said this, i understand it and said how i still disagree and you disagree with me, nuf said, on the endless loop argument.
Side note:
Does this racism and bigotry offend you? or Are you offended that other people are offended? im strait and not one of the races mentioned and there is no hint in other posts that anyone is gay or a race which was offended. I am curious to hear from someone who is homosexual or a race offended how they feel on this issue.
@ObsceneCereal: Go
watch out for that Ad hominem in the well.
I don't really think it matters whether they lift the ban or not to be honest. Keeps making new accounts anyways, starting ridiculous threads like these ones.
ObsceneWisp, how about you resolve to quit being a douche bag and only use a special account when you don't feel the urge to go after people or make pictures of chickens with green boobs. This special account shouldn't be tainted with your typical behavior in any way, but I'm guessing that isn't really possible at this point. I don't know what your game is this time, but it is perfectly obvious to me you haven't learned anything good yet, just that you dislike being limited. Good job getting so many to respond to yet another troll post, bad job at showing any sort of reform.
Shall I refer to the 30 pages (500 post) of insults between you and EW?.
All I am saying is keep it classy, if you don't like someone that's fine, but don't continuously insult them when as far as I can tell they haven't done anything to you.
The religion thread? You're accusing me of discussing religion in the religion thread? -_-
Please find better evidence. I'm sorry that you feel that criticism of a social institution is comparable to telling a group of people that they aren't allowed to be treated as human beings.
Side note: Does this racism and bigotry offend you? or Are you offended that other people are offended? im strait and not one of the races mentioned and there is no hint in other posts that anyone is gay or a race which was offended. I am curious to hear from someone who is homosexual or a race offended how they feel on this issue.
Wow, awesome train of thought there: "If it doesn't bother you then why should you care about how other people feel?"
Should I be surprised that you're defending a known racist homophobe? Pretty sad that we even need to have this conversation.
To answer your question, take one of taintedwisp's posts, go up to the minority in question on the street, and tell them the same thing to their face. Let me know if they're offended. :P
If you're trying to fool people into thinking you're not Taintedwisp, then you're doing an awful job. If you don't want to be banned again, then it would be in your best interest to be quiet.
As for everyone else, this thread certainly doesn't need so much attention. Tainted was banned for being an offensive asshole, and he was banned for it. End of story. Trolls like him don't deserve this kind of attention. I didn't want to post here but this is getting a little ridiculous.
I'd just like to say I claim no responibility for people thinking Obscene is Tainted and I have no submissible evidence that they may be the same person though I was the first to suggest that they were.
If you're trying to fool people into thinking you're not Taintedwisp, then you're doing an awful job. If you don't want to be banned again, then it would be in your best interest to be quiet.
As for everyone else, this thread certainly doesn't need so much attention. Tainted was banned for being an offensive asshole, and he was banned for it. End of story. Trolls like him don't deserve this kind of attention.
The only thing that deserves attention is the fact that several legitimate members (houndofbaskerville, soultaker, DarcZaFire) feel compelled to defend a known racist homophobe. Are they trying really hard to play devil's advocate? Because I don't get it.
I'd just like to say I claim no responibility for people thinking Obscene is Tainted and I have no submissible evidence that they may be the same person though I was the first to suggest that they were.
No worries on that one Charysmatic, I've known several name changers over the years. You aren't the reason I called him Obscenewisp. They always leave bread crumb trails though.
The only thing that deserves attention is the fact that several legitimate members (houndofbaskerville, soultaker, DarcZaFire) feel compelled to defend a known racist homophobe. Are they trying really hard to play devil's advocate? Because I don't get it.
Sexist too. But that's another topic.
In any case, I don't see the need for the moderating team to reform people, it is not their responsibility to begin with (whyn would it be? they are not their parents nor the education system). Moderating job should be to foster communication and desired civility within the community. If any member seems destructive towards that goal, after given warnings, should be banned. The length of the banning should be up to the team to discuss, and a perma ban for an unrepentant poisonous member ought to be considered.
@Gradius12: Go
My comments were not intended to attack your character, They were intended to express and idea. I'm not upset but I would appreciate it if you refrain from attacking my character. Since this is got heated, and since your the reason why i am still on this thread since i have already made my peace, i will remove myself to help keep everything civil, i hope to collaborate with you else were in the forums.
I think this thread is a good enough example why he should remain banned. Everywhere he goes toxicity follows. I can understand giving him a chance in a year or two but he needs to take time to learn from his mistakes.
You know, this thread to me is soo amusing... Maybe that's because where I am from... You guys are talking soo much about a ban of some guy who called gays some insulting way, did I understand this right? Now suck on this...
One month ago or so there was a parade gay people wanted to organize in my country. Half of the politicians in the parliament didn't want this to happen. Even a new law came out to stop this... The gay right people appealed on court. Then the appeal worked and the parade was actually allowed. And you know what happened? We had like three times bigger crowd, so to say, of "normal" people marching toward the parades location with posters, rocks, gun w/e the fuck shouting out "get the fuck out of this country". Swat, police, shields, etc... Half of the police dudes didn't come to their duty that day, BECAUSE THEIR WHERE ON THE OTHER SIDE!!! Kewl? Wait a moment. Here goes the punchline. You know who was shouting those poems of love out with microphones? Several respected politicians, parliament members, high-end businessmen who actually have the means to buy freaking war machines or ruin an ordinary smurf guys life in a snap of a finger.
So its funny... I say - who gives a fuck what he is talking in a chat room? You guys are too sensitive. ;]
Oh yea... The racist stuff... One day I was driving to a training session with one of my partners. The "partner" is huge tattooed guy. He had some prison time... So we are driving by and we see a black person crossing a wide street where a person is not allowed to cross it. So the tattooed strongman stops the car right in the middle of the street just next to the black guy, tires squeek, cars horn bla bla everyone is shouting swearing "wtf you are doing you idiot!!"... He opens up the window, grabs a gun from under his seat, points it towards the black guy and shouts out [note that he did it in native language and proooly the guy didnt get him at all] : "Monkeys - go back to your fucking trees and caves." And then I sweat my hear out and shit my pants, and he calmly drives along...
So yeah... I think these kind of actions should get more attention from the people or communities rather than some idiot who rants same stuff, but in text form, in the internet chatroom, which is designated for people who are customizing a game [making maps]. I mean, how stupid is that?... Go email the pentagon. This fuss is funny, at-least for me. ;]
yeah, in the old days of WarCraft III people didn't take things so seriously! Stop being so politically correct and unban him! He's worth a lot to the community! Give him one more chance at least!
Why has the world of today become so cynical?
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ObsceneWisp, how about you resolve to quit being a douche bag and only use a special account when you don't feel the urge to go after people or make pictures of chickens with green boobs.
My god... now people are whinging about what people choose to use as their avatar?
Sorry Gradius, i typed that the culprit is guilty .. i don't defend nor like said culprit.. i advocate against the idea that anything "constructive" will come out of perma banning any mapster poster (it s the principal of the matter that i post about).
stupid/bad people can never be "set aside" .. they end up somewhere else f cking someone else s shit and probably be even more sad / bad to those people because of the hurt from being rejected... they come back even more pissed off with everyone (my point is that you wish to not see them .. but they are here none the less and you might be part of the solution but dare not to work hard at it)
This will be my last attempt at convincing anyone on the matter (in this thread mind you) :
i typed a bit of my life story concerning my own experience with being permed from tl.. did you think i was polishing myself for the sake of ... what? i did it because i felt it was relevant to the issue at hand.
whether i be ever wanted or not by tl mods, i wil post on tl whenever i want, they only perm me when i tell them i am me (which just goes to prove yet again that i'm too old / naive / (hopeful?) for all this s hit...) .. furthermore , i know i can necro my first tl id.. because i can, because i work at it, because respect from people who dislike you is earned .. never stolen!
whether or not i deserved it any of the time they did it is irrelevant .. i have been forever typecasted on tl (and hence here too), i can never "fit in", i can never convince anyone there of anything (i genuinely care about helping, instilling / nurturing passion within people) since anything i type is tarnished by some teenagers mods and posters (3 years ago) who couldn't stomach being wrong, and who refuse to reassess their judgement of me...
the real thing as i've (like an old fart) rehashed over and over everywhere on the internet is that people feel it is alright to do such things
all right to type whatever they feel like
all right to bait posters with s hit so these posters get pissed off and go over the line (tl mods favorite sport)
all right to say .. perma ban the fool he stoupid
all right to not care about other human beings nor care about the "ambiance" the environment that we post in ...
well i care about not accepting these things and trying to "reform" the stupid mofos responsible i meet online
i have suffered from it, will suffer from it again and again ..
why..? because i'm still alive (culprit is not, whether he be still here or not .. it is not being alive to do those things .. people guilty of those are wasting our race's potential down the drain .. )
but it is never a waste of time to try to make other human beings "evolve for the better" .. this is why we are here typing.. (people who made the internet, people who r maintaining this site, people who post on it) loads of people thinking like me .. that this is all worth it .. that there is a light at the end of tunnel .. that it is worth it to be part of the solution
to close my post i would like to say that i am selfish .. i want the internets to be better/sane .. for the time when my kid gets unto it
ps: being called "legitimate" made me smile/blush .. ty gradius (a lil sunshine is always appreciated)
pss: porn flakes is wisp ? then just ban that account too (too bad the icon/concept was funny) ..
having fun is good wisp? fun like everything has a cost...
people in this thread have advocated you hide.. i do no such thing .. continue .. carpe diem and all .. have fun .. insult people .. hurt them .. push them to be unhappy and suffer from your fun .. what do you care ? it s just the internet .. f ck them they don't really exist .. they don't matter ...
^ was sarcasm.. grow up you dumb kid, happiness is gained through other people
You guys are talking soo much about a ban of some guy who called gays some insulting way, did I understand this right?
No. He was toxic in many threads. Not to mention going full retard and publicly attacking/insulting a moderator. Ironic that the same moderator tried to defend his case, which was futile as subsequent toxic actions by wisp got him permanently banned.
yeah, in the old days of WarCraft III people didn't take things so seriously! Stop being so politically correct and unban him! He's worth a lot to the community! Give him one more chance at least!
What are you jumping for?, whats got you so excited?. Judging from the replies in this thread, many people still despise him. Those who dont know the full story or history are uncertain.
To touch on the last point, I think that was already explained somewhere in this thread. Its the same case with others that were banned in the past, No matter your skill or what you have done for the community(if anything), that in no way excuses bad behavior. Mapster is a peaceful community, free of elitists and troublemakers/trolls and the like.
I dont think he has learned his lesson and permabans are irrevocable by definition. Im banning your secondary account seeing as xcorbo already banned your primary. If for some reason the moderators decide to unban you, you can consider it a miracle.
Locking this thread as well since most of the community seems unwilling to accept you back. Them being the ones you offended most.
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@Gradius12: Go you already said this, i understand it and said how i still disagree and you disagree with me, nuf said, on the endless loop argument.
Side note: Does this racism and bigotry offend you? or Are you offended that other people are offended? im strait and not one of the races mentioned and there is no hint in other posts that anyone is gay or a race which was offended. I am curious to hear from someone who is homosexual or a race offended how they feel on this issue.
@ObsceneCereal: Go watch out for that Ad hominem in the well.
Ooo, I remember that, I was even part of it for a while, and so were you, Tainted, err, I mean ObceneCereal.
I don't really think it matters whether they lift the ban or not to be honest. Keeps making new accounts anyways, starting ridiculous threads like these ones.
ObsceneWisp, how about you resolve to quit being a douche bag and only use a special account when you don't feel the urge to go after people or make pictures of chickens with green boobs. This special account shouldn't be tainted with your typical behavior in any way, but I'm guessing that isn't really possible at this point. I don't know what your game is this time, but it is perfectly obvious to me you haven't learned anything good yet, just that you dislike being limited. Good job getting so many to respond to yet another troll post, bad job at showing any sort of reform.
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Curse PremiumThe religion thread? You're accusing me of discussing religion in the religion thread? -_-
Please find better evidence. I'm sorry that you feel that criticism of a social institution is comparable to telling a group of people that they aren't allowed to be treated as human beings.
Wow, awesome train of thought there: "If it doesn't bother you then why should you care about how other people feel?"
Should I be surprised that you're defending a known racist homophobe? Pretty sad that we even need to have this conversation.
To answer your question, take one of taintedwisp's posts, go up to the minority in question on the street, and tell them the same thing to their face. Let me know if they're offended. :P
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If you're trying to fool people into thinking you're not Taintedwisp, then you're doing an awful job. If you don't want to be banned again, then it would be in your best interest to be quiet.
As for everyone else, this thread certainly doesn't need so much attention. Tainted was banned for being an offensive asshole, and he was banned for it. End of story. Trolls like him don't deserve this kind of attention. I didn't want to post here but this is getting a little ridiculous.
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Curse PremiumThe only thing that deserves attention is the fact that several legitimate members (houndofbaskerville, soultaker, DarcZaFire) feel compelled to defend a known racist homophobe. Are they trying really hard to play devil's advocate? Because I don't get it.
No worries on that one Charysmatic, I've known several name changers over the years. You aren't the reason I called him Obscenewisp. They always leave bread crumb trails though.
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Curse PremiumSexist too. But that's another topic.
In any case, I don't see the need for the moderating team to reform people, it is not their responsibility to begin with (whyn would it be? they are not their parents nor the education system). Moderating job should be to foster communication and desired civility within the community. If any member seems destructive towards that goal, after given warnings, should be banned. The length of the banning should be up to the team to discuss, and a perma ban for an unrepentant poisonous member ought to be considered.
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@Gradius12: Go My comments were not intended to attack your character, They were intended to express and idea. I'm not upset but I would appreciate it if you refrain from attacking my character. Since this is got heated, and since your the reason why i am still on this thread since i have already made my peace, i will remove myself to help keep everything civil, i hope to collaborate with you else were in the forums.
I think this thread is a good enough example why he should remain banned. Everywhere he goes toxicity follows. I can understand giving him a chance in a year or two but he needs to take time to learn from his mistakes.
"If I had a (ban) hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, I'd hammer in the evening, All over this land..."
You know, this thread to me is soo amusing... Maybe that's because where I am from... You guys are talking soo much about a ban of some guy who called gays some insulting way, did I understand this right? Now suck on this...
One month ago or so there was a parade gay people wanted to organize in my country. Half of the politicians in the parliament didn't want this to happen. Even a new law came out to stop this... The gay right people appealed on court. Then the appeal worked and the parade was actually allowed. And you know what happened? We had like three times bigger crowd, so to say, of "normal" people marching toward the parades location with posters, rocks, gun w/e the fuck shouting out "get the fuck out of this country". Swat, police, shields, etc... Half of the police dudes didn't come to their duty that day, BECAUSE THEIR WHERE ON THE OTHER SIDE!!! Kewl? Wait a moment. Here goes the punchline. You know who was shouting those poems of love out with microphones? Several respected politicians, parliament members, high-end businessmen who actually have the means to buy freaking war machines or ruin an ordinary smurf guys life in a snap of a finger.
So its funny... I say - who gives a fuck what he is talking in a chat room? You guys are too sensitive. ;]
Oh yea... The racist stuff... One day I was driving to a training session with one of my partners. The "partner" is huge tattooed guy. He had some prison time... So we are driving by and we see a black person crossing a wide street where a person is not allowed to cross it. So the tattooed strongman stops the car right in the middle of the street just next to the black guy, tires squeek, cars horn bla bla everyone is shouting swearing "wtf you are doing you idiot!!"... He opens up the window, grabs a gun from under his seat, points it towards the black guy and shouts out [note that he did it in native language and proooly the guy didnt get him at all] : "Monkeys - go back to your fucking trees and caves." And then I sweat my hear out and shit my pants, and he calmly drives along...
So yeah... I think these kind of actions should get more attention from the people or communities rather than some idiot who rants same stuff, but in text form, in the internet chatroom, which is designated for people who are customizing a game [making maps]. I mean, how stupid is that?... Go email the pentagon. This fuss is funny, at-least for me. ;]
yeah, in the old days of WarCraft III people didn't take things so seriously! Stop being so politically correct and unban him! He's worth a lot to the community! Give him one more chance at least!
Why has the world of today become so cynical?
My god... now people are whinging about what people choose to use as their avatar?
Sorry Gradius, i typed that the culprit is guilty .. i don't defend nor like said culprit.. i advocate against the idea that anything "constructive" will come out of perma banning any mapster poster (it s the principal of the matter that i post about).
stupid/bad people can never be "set aside" .. they end up somewhere else f cking someone else s shit and probably be even more sad / bad to those people because of the hurt from being rejected... they come back even more pissed off with everyone (my point is that you wish to not see them .. but they are here none the less and you might be part of the solution but dare not to work hard at it)
This will be my last attempt at convincing anyone on the matter (in this thread mind you) :
i typed a bit of my life story concerning my own experience with being permed from tl.. did you think i was polishing myself for the sake of ... what? i did it because i felt it was relevant to the issue at hand.
whether i be ever wanted or not by tl mods, i wil post on tl whenever i want, they only perm me when i tell them i am me (which just goes to prove yet again that i'm too old / naive / (hopeful?) for all this s hit...) .. furthermore , i know i can necro my first tl id.. because i can, because i work at it, because respect from people who dislike you is earned .. never stolen!
whether or not i deserved it any of the time they did it is irrelevant .. i have been forever typecasted on tl (and hence here too), i can never "fit in", i can never convince anyone there of anything (i genuinely care about helping, instilling / nurturing passion within people) since anything i type is tarnished by some teenagers mods and posters (3 years ago) who couldn't stomach being wrong, and who refuse to reassess their judgement of me...
the real thing as i've (like an old fart) rehashed over and over everywhere on the internet is that people feel it is alright to do such things
all right to type whatever they feel like
all right to bait posters with s hit so these posters get pissed off and go over the line (tl mods favorite sport)
all right to say .. perma ban the fool he stoupid
all right to not care about other human beings nor care about the "ambiance" the environment that we post in ...
well i care about not accepting these things and trying to "reform" the stupid mofos responsible i meet online
i have suffered from it, will suffer from it again and again ..
why..? because i'm still alive (culprit is not, whether he be still here or not .. it is not being alive to do those things .. people guilty of those are wasting our race's potential down the drain .. )
but it is never a waste of time to try to make other human beings "evolve for the better" .. this is why we are here typing.. (people who made the internet, people who r maintaining this site, people who post on it) loads of people thinking like me .. that this is all worth it .. that there is a light at the end of tunnel .. that it is worth it to be part of the solution
to close my post i would like to say that i am selfish .. i want the internets to be better/sane .. for the time when my kid gets unto it
ps: being called "legitimate" made me smile/blush .. ty gradius (a lil sunshine is always appreciated)
pss: porn flakes is wisp ? then just ban that account too (too bad the icon/concept was funny) ..
having fun is good wisp? fun like everything has a cost...
people in this thread have advocated you hide.. i do no such thing .. continue .. carpe diem and all .. have fun .. insult people .. hurt them .. push them to be unhappy and suffer from your fun .. what do you care ? it s just the internet .. f ck them they don't really exist .. they don't matter ...
^ was sarcasm.. grow up you dumb kid, happiness is gained through other people
psss: please anonymously lock this thread
No. He was toxic in many threads. Not to mention going full retard and publicly attacking/insulting a moderator. Ironic that the same moderator tried to defend his case, which was futile as subsequent toxic actions by wisp got him permanently banned.
What are you jumping for?, whats got you so excited?. Judging from the replies in this thread, many people still despise him. Those who dont know the full story or history are uncertain.
To touch on the last point, I think that was already explained somewhere in this thread. Its the same case with others that were banned in the past, No matter your skill or what you have done for the community(if anything), that in no way excuses bad behavior. Mapster is a peaceful community, free of elitists and troublemakers/trolls and the like.
I dont think he has learned his lesson and permabans are irrevocable by definition. Im banning your secondary account seeing as xcorbo already banned your primary. If for some reason the moderators decide to unban you, you can consider it a miracle.
Locking this thread as well since most of the community seems unwilling to accept you back. Them being the ones you offended most.
