Rodrigo said he was busy and was just trying to get community interest in it. He can't hold our hand through the whole thing. Hence why he said mods can edit since he knew he wouldn't be around the whole time. So we can't just wait for him, this isn't his project. It's the community's project. So let's get it rolling.
"bump it?" You mean 40 hours of popularity? sure that'll solve everything
unless we had 200 people to bump it, that would be pointless...
we only have like 30 people you know? and the ads might add another 10 with our luck
tell me how you think we could get 2000+ hours of popularity from bp... i don't see it happening, but tell me how it could
at least we'll get a boost from this method... now if you actually have an explanation, i'll listen. but bring me some facts first. saying "bp woulda done fine, mafia is a pointless effort" means nothing without some evidence, and as sarcastic as i am, i'm gonna ask you honestly to present something i can roll with
i promise you i will listen no matter what you type, so type some inventive solutions
EDIT: Okay, I admit, that was a meaningless response. But I'm serious, could you elaborate? How in G-d's name would using Mafia not help Map of the Week? How would "boosting" Battle Planets be any more effective? We can do the same thing with Mafia, but being Mafia, it would do even better.
And "We need something that will stay on the top". First of all, Battle Planets would not. Second of all, Mafia has already proven that it can and will stay on the top. I am legitimately confused by your response.
Also, in regards to the "getting this thing rolling", outside of SC2Mapster, mods have just as much power as any of you guys. I have not received a single PM requesting something being newsed about this. I have not seen anyone suggest any time-frame. This is a COMMUNITY project, not a mod project.
If I understood Lonami correctly, I think the point he tried to make was that we either think that now unpopular maps like battle planets can stay on top once they are there (through boosting, starting games with AIs), then there is no need for an already popular map. Or those maps cannot stay popular, then there is no point in this project and it would be a waste of time.
However, there might be too few people to boost the motw on top of the popularity list on ourselves.
If I understood Lonami correctly, I think the point he tried to make was that we either think that now unpopular maps like battle planets can stay on top once they are there (through boosting, starting games with AIs), then there is no need for an already popular map. Or those maps cannot stay popular, then there is no point in this project and it would be a waste of time.
However, there might be too few people to boost the motw on top of the popularity list on ourselves.
are you the only person who can post a good argument against us? thank you! i mean come on damnit, say more than "i'm angry" people!
i think that we just need a popular map to give the initial popularity to MOTW, and that any good unpopular map can hold it AFTER that, but not before. what i'm saying is that people will always play maps that are already popular, and will practically never play anything else. if we make an unpopular map popular with a previously popular map, people will see it on the list and keep playing it
are you the only person who can post a good argument against us? thank you! i mean come on damnit, say more than "i'm angry" people!
Actually most people bring arguments, they just put it in one short sentence which makes it seem like "I'm angry!"
For example in my last post I merely phrased out what I believe to be Lonami's argument except for the last sentence.
To get the popularity boost we'll need a few things. First off is for it to actually be put on bnet, since people say advertising a map will be stupid if it's no on bnet already. Then we need to start going to major game forums or even small game forums, as long as they aren't personalized to one game because that will piss them off, and advertise the map and try to get game started with people on these forums. Hell make an app for the iphone to help with popularity. If we still need help asking Husky or someone else to do a vid or stream it would work also. If ulose can get mapnight back up and running on NA then that will help as well. There are so many things we can do to boost the popularity.
I 100% agree with everything you just said. Especially the iPhone app, that is a great idea.
However, imagine all that WITH the help of Mafia being already popular. No one said that we are only going to be using Mafia to get popularity. We are still doing everything else we would for any other map. Using Mafia is just a bonus. To be honest, let us put that behind us. No matter what map we use, we are going to be advertising in the same way, so let's all only focus on that for now. We can determine which map to actually use when the time comes.
Also, the reason why I don't say "just through it up there" is because of the risk of people joining it. If people do join it, find that no one is there, they will leave and flag that map as an "unpopular takes forever to get going" map, and will most likely not help our cause.
The idea is to get a bunch of advertisements ready. We can get some .txt files ready, some code to copy and paste in signatures, some stuff to copy and paste into chat in games, some stuff to post on forums, etc. Once all that is figured out, we can release it all at the same time, along with the game. That way a ton of people, including the people who are boosting, can play at once. With the help of that map being Mafia, it would potentially go quite well. It might not work perfectly, but I cannot think of a better way to beat the popularity system.
Husky is popular, but not THAT popular. If we can get a ton of people to all send him e-mails about this at the same time, I am sure he would listen.
I really don't like how the name of the map is going to be changed to "Map of the Week" under the sc2mapster category. It's almost like its more about sc2mapster advertisement than promoting an indie map.
that might be changed, as i've seen differences in comments regarding category and mode, so i'm not even sure at this point... and i see ur point, but the ONLY thing that really mentions sc2mapster would be that. the unpopular map is what actually gets played, so i think the attention is aimed in the right direction
You can add me to the list of EU publishers, seeing as there is only 1 at the moment.
can someone add him to the publisher list? sorry taco about pushing the mod powers thing, but we cant set the EU poll if we don't add publisher requests
SC2Mapster is running this. I have put a lot of time into figuring this out. It is being configured and created on SC2Mapster. SC2Mapster will be mentioned at least once, whether that be in the loading screen or the category or both.
I have said from the beginning, getting unknown maps popular is not the goal. Giving unknown maps a CHANCE is the goal.
We will discuss that later. Right now, talk about ads and how we are going to do them.
Also, DON'T RELY ON ME. I have gotten several PMs asking me to get this thing rolling. I am sorry, I simply don't have the time. I have limited time as of right now for a variety of reasons, as unlike college, you have 6 hours of damn school a day in high school... But yeah, I will do my best, but I would recommend sending PMs to a lot of the other mods as well. If you are just asking "will you change this poll" or "will you add this person to the list", they would be happy to help.
I'd like to help with advertising when its out, at least using the signature or something like that. Also, what do I have to do in order to have my map in that list?
@xil_theMINISTER: Go
personally, i'm just gonna say that mafia is, in my opinion, the best map choice of any popular map we can get our hands on...
@TacoManStan: Go
as for the motw points, if sixen or the authors are willing to throw it in there, it'd be a great idea...
perhaps they could text a certain code to view their points, and add it into the description
how about if they type MOTW it displays the points
EDIT: i mean if sixen is willing... forgot about the "can't share banks between authors" thing
to everyone: what about ads? i know we can't just advertise now, but what are we gonna do? are we gonna make a vid? we should clear that up eventually
@Keyeszx: Go
if only, but rodrigo isn't even online yet
I think biased people ruined this awesome project.
Whoever tries to repeat this some day, please write extensive rules about everything to avoid people forcing bullshit.
And yes, I don't see the point on using Mafia. What we need is something able to stay up, and BP was fine (we were going to bump it, remember?).
@thepumaman1: Go
Rodrigo said he was busy and was just trying to get community interest in it. He can't hold our hand through the whole thing. Hence why he said mods can edit since he knew he wouldn't be around the whole time. So we can't just wait for him, this isn't his project. It's the community's project. So let's get it rolling.
@Keyeszx: Go
most of the mods say they don't wanna steal his project... but i might personally agree with ya
@Lonami: Go
"bump it?" You mean 40 hours of popularity? sure that'll solve everything
unless we had 200 people to bump it, that would be pointless...
we only have like 30 people you know? and the ads might add another 10 with our luck
tell me how you think we could get 2000+ hours of popularity from bp... i don't see it happening, but tell me how it could
at least we'll get a boost from this method... now if you actually have an explanation, i'll listen. but bring me some facts first. saying "bp woulda done fine, mafia is a pointless effort" means nothing without some evidence, and as sarcastic as i am, i'm gonna ask you honestly to present something i can roll with
i promise you i will listen no matter what you type, so type some inventive solutions
@Lonami: Go
That made literally no sense.
EDIT: Okay, I admit, that was a meaningless response. But I'm serious, could you elaborate? How in G-d's name would using Mafia not help Map of the Week? How would "boosting" Battle Planets be any more effective? We can do the same thing with Mafia, but being Mafia, it would do even better.
And "We need something that will stay on the top". First of all, Battle Planets would not. Second of all, Mafia has already proven that it can and will stay on the top. I am legitimately confused by your response.
Also, in regards to the "getting this thing rolling", outside of SC2Mapster, mods have just as much power as any of you guys. I have not received a single PM requesting something being newsed about this. I have not seen anyone suggest any time-frame. This is a COMMUNITY project, not a mod project.
Great to be back and part of the community again!
If I understood Lonami correctly, I think the point he tried to make was that we either think that now unpopular maps like battle planets can stay on top once they are there (through boosting, starting games with AIs), then there is no need for an already popular map. Or those maps cannot stay popular, then there is no point in this project and it would be a waste of time.
However, there might be too few people to boost the motw on top of the popularity list on ourselves.
are you the only person who can post a good argument against us? thank you! i mean come on damnit, say more than "i'm angry" people!
i think that we just need a popular map to give the initial popularity to MOTW, and that any good unpopular map can hold it AFTER that, but not before. what i'm saying is that people will always play maps that are already popular, and will practically never play anything else. if we make an unpopular map popular with a previously popular map, people will see it on the list and keep playing it
that's the incentive, basically
★DRAMA★
K so post any map plz
Mafia is a short term solution that will probably work, but we'll need something more if we're to keep our program on page 1.
Actually most people bring arguments, they just put it in one short sentence which makes it seem like "I'm angry!" For example in my last post I merely phrased out what I believe to be Lonami's argument except for the last sentence.
@thepumaman1: Go
To get the popularity boost we'll need a few things. First off is for it to actually be put on bnet, since people say advertising a map will be stupid if it's no on bnet already. Then we need to start going to major game forums or even small game forums, as long as they aren't personalized to one game because that will piss them off, and advertise the map and try to get game started with people on these forums. Hell make an app for the iphone to help with popularity. If we still need help asking Husky or someone else to do a vid or stream it would work also. If ulose can get mapnight back up and running on NA then that will help as well. There are so many things we can do to boost the popularity.
@Keyeszx: Go
I 100% agree with everything you just said. Especially the iPhone app, that is a great idea.
However, imagine all that WITH the help of Mafia being already popular. No one said that we are only going to be using Mafia to get popularity. We are still doing everything else we would for any other map. Using Mafia is just a bonus. To be honest, let us put that behind us. No matter what map we use, we are going to be advertising in the same way, so let's all only focus on that for now. We can determine which map to actually use when the time comes.
Also, the reason why I don't say "just through it up there" is because of the risk of people joining it. If people do join it, find that no one is there, they will leave and flag that map as an "unpopular takes forever to get going" map, and will most likely not help our cause.
The idea is to get a bunch of advertisements ready. We can get some .txt files ready, some code to copy and paste in signatures, some stuff to copy and paste into chat in games, some stuff to post on forums, etc. Once all that is figured out, we can release it all at the same time, along with the game. That way a ton of people, including the people who are boosting, can play at once. With the help of that map being Mafia, it would potentially go quite well. It might not work perfectly, but I cannot think of a better way to beat the popularity system.
Husky is popular, but not THAT popular. If we can get a ton of people to all send him e-mails about this at the same time, I am sure he would listen.
Great to be back and part of the community again!
I really don't like how the name of the map is going to be changed to "Map of the Week" under the sc2mapster category. It's almost like its more about sc2mapster advertisement than promoting an indie map.
completely true, so the second map should definitely be good, but very unpopular so that people understand the real purpose of this project
we'll sort that out when it comes time to vote, and we'll also boost advertising to help out
@peranzormal: Go
that might be changed, as i've seen differences in comments regarding category and mode, so i'm not even sure at this point... and i see ur point, but the ONLY thing that really mentions sc2mapster would be that. the unpopular map is what actually gets played, so i think the attention is aimed in the right direction
can someone add him to the publisher list? sorry taco about pushing the mod powers thing, but we cant set the EU poll if we don't add publisher requests
@peranzormal: Go
SC2Mapster is running this. I have put a lot of time into figuring this out. It is being configured and created on SC2Mapster. SC2Mapster will be mentioned at least once, whether that be in the loading screen or the category or both.
I have said from the beginning, getting unknown maps popular is not the goal. Giving unknown maps a CHANCE is the goal.
We will discuss that later. Right now, talk about ads and how we are going to do them.
Also, DON'T RELY ON ME. I have gotten several PMs asking me to get this thing rolling. I am sorry, I simply don't have the time. I have limited time as of right now for a variety of reasons, as unlike college, you have 6 hours of damn school a day in high school... But yeah, I will do my best, but I would recommend sending PMs to a lot of the other mods as well. If you are just asking "will you change this poll" or "will you add this person to the list", they would be happy to help.
Great to be back and part of the community again!
thnks... i just asked you because i thought the other mods would lynch me if i asked em out of the blue
I'd like to help with advertising when its out, at least using the signature or something like that. Also, what do I have to do in order to have my map in that list?
@SoulFilcher: Go
pm rodrigo, i'm sure he'll eventually get around to it... otherwise pm molsterr, since he's a reliable mod
if all else fails, ask sixen to do it...
basically (with the exception of taco who is currently very busy) find a mod and tell him
ill switch the poll to EU publisher tomorrow