SC2Mapster

SGAT:

I agree with you a bit on the t5 organic, it needs to have something special

I increased its aoe range (even over the nuke) and all t5 towers can hit air now. This should also help with wave 49.

I really don't want to mess with DPS of any towers at this point, I really did a lot of math to get it right. But the aoe increase should make the organic tower more enticing.

I'm also fixing the whole vespine issue fairly elegantly.

I'm putting the wave finish thing on the back burner for a bit. Would love to keep healing feedback

Stay tuned, should have this update soon

That Energy Idea might work, guess it falls more into the category of which one is easiest to implement :P

But I've actually seen games at low ret (0%-5%?) on normal/easy, get close to getting nuked on that wave with a full group of people left... Shield purge doesnt have time to purge but maybe 2 shots worth of shields off 1 target, and those later waves get really dicey towards the end, even assuming the purge is getting 5-6 shots off per enemy (pathing). Best I've probably ever seen, was the mid+goalie pretty much go straight Anti-Air for wave 49, while Top goes for boss pewpew dmg, and even then, bot leaked like 3 of his, mid leaked like 7 (bot picked off almost all of them), and the leaks from Top were thinning out by mid, and then finished off by bot...

Only problem I see with the starting early when 1 side finishes, is build time between waves (Get 1 slowwww person, and no one on that side ever gets a chance to build.... and eventually gets overwhelmed with 500-2k minerals in pocket...).

I did some quick math on the tier5 towers, and they seem pretty well balanced for the dmg:mineral ratio's (except maybe the upgraded forms being near useless until upgraded..), except for the Organic tower (all the t5 have splash, so it only being able to hit ground and having organic splash.. is kinda redundant at that point). If anything, the org tower should prob do about 30-40% more dmg to ground, if it will lack air dps (or maybe a t5 upgrade, that has reduced splash but higher direct dmg would rock). Nukes and Solar burst are almost identical Dmg:mineral ratio's, and both hit air and group, while the Org is about 20% lower overall ground dmg, and lacks air dps... They still are higher normal wave DPS than anything the t4's have, but since their focused on AoE, lose a good bit of direct dmg to single targets (*cough*Zealot*cough*)

What do you guys think about this :

The next wave spawns when at least one side has killed all monsters. Kinda penalize people who build giant mazes without upgrading, and also award the team that finishes first (they already got the speed bonus)

Ok addaing a few things to my to-do list:

examine all t4 & t5 towers and make sure they are balanced (probably going to add anti air to all 3)

blocking bug is already on my list...

extend timer after boss level to allow more building time

possbile "ready" button after a wave

vespine fix

I really don't want to directly nerf the lvl 49 air wave. waves 41-50 are supposed to be REALLY hard but not impossible. So I'm gonna find other ways of making this work.

instead of requiring one vespine, you can require one energy and give the builder one energy and disable energy regeneration on the builder

you can also make it require one population unit and limit that to one.

or I have seen some maps that created their own resources that were counted in the top right with everything else and you can use that method.

any of those would not be tradeable :D

CrAzD, all the final tier towers are AoE focused. Tier4's upgraded are more expensive than Tier5 unupgraded, so they should have slightly more damage output imo.

My question is, since nuke's and solar burst look more like a ground AoE, are they still limited to the 3 target splash limit? :P Both are very OP on the trash waves, and pretty much useless for final boss...

Last tier towers are useless, not the uniques.

On normal difficulty, 4 liqs. and you take down everything expect the last regen wave and rape the final boss. 1 person had 2 nukes, did shit to the boss. Another had 3 liqs. and raped the boss. I had 4 liqs and it didn't even get to the second mover, my maze takes no time at all to navigate.

Either liqs. are still seriously OP or last tier towers need another look.

Veridian, if you hadn't of made a turret limit, you probably could have changed that system over to Supply, so each tower would max out that 0/1 supply limit. But there should be a way to disable vespane gas trading (although I always joke about wanting to buy it from people, no one ever is willing to part with it :P).

As for Wave 49, yes... extremely... I had 4 liquifiers/4 Implosions and a few other AA+splash capable turrets (burst missile i think is t4 upgraded terran name) on EASY, with a shield depleter, and still leaked like 8... (was top, with the new changes, only had leaked like 4 units all game, solo'd by side's bosses except first). Either their shields are a bit high, or their speed needs some nerfing. Either would dramatically improve survivability on that wave (I imagine the speed probably would scale best on difficulty increases, as no one probably would ever make it that far on Impossible :P).

As for blocking bug, how big of a change would it require, to give a 100% refund to a turret thats destroyed using that system? If that glitch happened, but you got the minerals back for it, it really wouldn't cause anything other than an insignificant time penalty on it (I've never seen it kill an expensive turret, but if i was dropping a Gravity Mono early on, and it destroyed it for that... i'd prob be pissed.... that early on).

As for Boss HP bars, not sure what number system you use for identifying location, but the last Easy game I played, I was West side, top Right player, and 1 of the Boss frames was for the other side (I THINK it was getting west top left's box, and East's top right), the entire game.

That Vanguard bonus rocks though, seen far far fewer Top players Alt-F4 about 4 waves in (which was about a 99.3% chance of that happening before wave 10 :P even on easy). Its even a good encouragement in the lobby, to prevent lobby hopping... (people join/leave/join/leave, cause they dont want top :P)

I need to figure out a way to make vespine not tradable

played all the way through on nomral with 4.44.

only bugs i can see are:

1) boss bars are still jacked up

2) lvl 49 is probably still too hard

Block bug is probably something i cant do anything about, my code for that is seriously so simple, its impossible that there would be a bug in it. Buyt i will keep an eye out for a different way