SC2Mapster

Hey, I really like your map but you definitively need to update EU version. We are still on 1.81 and sewer bugs every goddamn game...

@Etravex

I really like the idea of the vile imploders using the armor debuff. I felt imploders have been relatively weak before, and this should give them a cemented spot in the game.

While we're on that, i highly suggest you to re-do whatever resource system or stat reset. You can just edit your save bank file to max lv and max custom resource. Im at level25 with 999 highest round.

But.... don't think you can fix that anyway lol...

Sever is bugged, i think its something in the blood trees. Once his little severs come out they one shot tanks, and they can not be rezzed, and not even a continue will rez them.

Most likely Thick Hide

Just a suggestion.

I highly suggest that you separate the two maps as you can evidently travel between the two allowing you to just wait out till the round ends excluding boss rounds as no infested can attack you.

p.s- Just played with two people who did this and it is very annoying.

@greenleg: Go

Green, in response to the Cyclops Ray of the Psion, I found one really nice feature of it, if you use Arc, he will draw the minions away from you, Flight will keep a minimum to what attacks you, and Lightning storm will kill tons of little ones while you are focusing your main attack on an SIU or boss for the duration, this is how I use him, 4 abilities together, only thing that sucks is you can't move, but flight reduces your chance of getting killed for staying put.

It feel like Seifer need a reliable slow, something that is castable. Every class in Infested Arena so far have such ability, it would be great if Seifer have access to one himself. Maybe you could weave it into existing abilities

Also, some of the tooltip are unclear (e.g: Seifer's coat of oil, Psion's electrocution chance). You could add like how damage is calculated in those upgrade, so people can make a more informed decision. Krug's thermo blades tooltip need to be updated also, as to reflect the slow ability it recently have. I doesn't even know Thermo Blade can slow infested until I read the patch notes.

Also, some of the abilities are under-used, such as Psion's Entroclopic Ray. You have to stand still while casting this ability, and can't attack (which make the spell damage's stacks wear off). Maybe you can find some ways to developed the ability, and make it more useful

I really liked this map, great work! I'd suggest maybe increasing ranged infested's threat priority, if possible, since quite often they're justing sitting there killing you while you're attacking melee units. Also, I believe rounds should always have objectives, or at least have them more often. I ran into some situations where there were like 3 rounds in a row without objectives, which are not as fun as rounds with them. Sometimes I got the kill SIUs objective, and not a single one appeared, although that may be because I was playing alone. I also suggest changing the propagators spawned by the King Propagator, they drop items and give minerals like the normal ones, so you can just run around waiting the boss to spawn propagators and get the items, even extra blood. Anyway, keep up the good job, I'm really looking forward to the persistent items system ^^

I'm not trying to remove this aspect, but a compromise would be preferable. You don't want to lose the fun aspects of the game that you've been working towards already.

It's not that I don't like the spewer ability, in fact I believe it's kinda' cool. It's just too op. Instead of having stacks putting you down to negative armor. Maybe make it a maximum of about 50% stack. maybe have each spewer have a -5% armor debuff, stacking 10 times for a max of -50% armor. I think that would be fair, while allowing the game to change in the way that you see it. It forces tanks and dps to keep on tabs, but doesn't completely abolish the aspect of tank. although, the drone would add a +50% armor bonus. Maybe 75% max debuff? Otherwise, tanks just get burned down. A tank isn't supposed to run. I've always been a good tank, popping around to make sure everyone on my team wasn't getting hit. Now, though, I don't even have time to do that. I have to run, and if I run to the dps, they get burned, too. And if I run away, they get burned. It makes no sense.

Personally, I will agree that the reward system has begun to suck. Last night I played with one of my usual partners and a new guy. We had an awesome round, we played on Easy just to see how far we could go, I fell asleep at the keyboard I think 6 and a half hours in, if it weren't for the server maintenance on Blizzard I would have seen at least how far I got last night, we 3 ran together until 117, and I think I fell asleep at 137 or so.

Bosses fall off after 100, maxed out skills for all around 120, maxed out blood pretty close too, and the mobs either get too powerful to survive or not strong enough to hurt you, goes either way.

We had for those last two levels 2 tanks, was fun, but seriously, need a new tank character, I love to tank, but am getting bored with no new modifications available for the type of tanking I like to do.

Also, when you have all that extra minerals at the end, what are you supposed to do anyways, modifications are maxed and nothing is able to be done, conversion to Blood or Steel?

Need something to add a little spice, and I will say this, the difficulty has increased on the lower levels too, but without some type of increased reason to do the rewards, it is losing interest, also the new perma items would make it awesome for almost everyone out there, I do know that.

Thanks, and sorry for the rant etravex

@bluetequila: Go

I couldn't agree more. Alot of the fun factor has gone away with some of the recent changes. Too much running around now, and tanking is more like kiting, which is not really tanking because your tank will die if he stands still for just a brief moment now. Too much stuff can catch you and make it impossible for you to even get out of a sticky situation.

These changes affected Savage & Lunatic the most. Even while using tactics that should work just fine, you get caught up too much, and there's not much you can do about it since your tank can't protect the DPS' properly. Teams get split up too much, and running becomes too much, and eventually there's too many enemies which will kill you if you even consider to stop moving, and attack for a second.

As there is a reward system in the game, i think it would be fair for people to get to the point where they feel rewarded, rather than going through a trivial system that hardly rewards them for hard efforts. If you're not able to progress very far into the harder difficulties, the game becomes boring and unrewarding, and it looks like that is the direction the map is going right now.

Actually, I have been in plenty of games where tanks just standing still don't work.

That's when the game becomes fun - but it wasn't because you need to just run around all the time because of the little minions that come ALL THE TIME, it was because of the SIUs.

Stalker gets on you, you lose your shield buff, stuff starts to do damage to you.

I understand that it's really hard to balance SIU vs regular enemies but definitely buff the SIUs rather than the regular enemies, the tanks need to have a defined role - being able to take hits from 1/2 of the regular enemies isn't a very good one.

Don't really need to "test the map" to understand a basic game mechanic.

Now the "teamwork" is just "get a ton of damage so that these enemies can't touch us" and that's not nearly as fun as the map was before. I mean, you got EXP for being hit by the enemies.. and needing to remain watchful for SIU (and relying on your team for them when they come) was fun, rather than just having to micro for several hours on end.

Maybe you've realized what you wanted the map to be the whole time but I think the old way was better. The constant threat of random SIU was more fun, keeps you on the toes without needing to have a ridiculous APM or just resorting to running around the map like idiots not doing anything.

The new lings hit Psion while he's in the air.

Is the tooltip which reads "Cannot take damage." accurate? Seems the list of things that can target air is growing..

It includes any SIU with an "ability" such as the DoT, knockback, infestor, stalker, overseer... and a few of the normal creeps, and almost all of the bosses, if you were unaware.

They may or may not actively target Psion when he's in the air, but they will DEFINITELY damage and continue to damage him if he gets too close or damages them.

Edit: And the problem with the new untankable mobs is that if the TANK can't take the hits, NOBODY CAN and nobody will. It is pretty much instant death late in the game to try to attack without having some source of damage avoidance, and the tanks get torn to little bits. The Infested Marines tear DPS up when they try to run. It's just generally not as much fun as it was, where you could build a group to your playstyle(s). Tanks still get owned by a lot of the SIU, so making them unviable for the trash (like -60 armor from the spewers..) makes them rather pointless.