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@KenjI03: Go

I credited you guys from the beginning, and the game only shows the last 5 patch so I didnt feel that was as needed since it was no longer the official mod. Plus it helps me keep better track of my own changes vs the official.

As for credit, I'd be happy give you more credit in the future. ^_^

Now the bunkers, I have never noticed that they do not count in the supply. Which is strange, perhaps if the code is to consider the unit when made, and not get rid of the count until it is dead?

Not sure where to start there, and I know upkeeping two versions is more work than wanted. I can tell just by playing around with mine.

I even made a website, and credited you on the website awhile ago. http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/empire-builder-rev/pages/main/

Credit still goes to you and anteep even in the loading screen.

@KenjI03: Go

Are you speaking of counting them as being apart of the unit supply? Because I do believe the official still counts the units in the bunkers. Its an uncertainty but I think that they are counted on mine as well.

As for the Queen unit firing blanks, perhaps then it is the queen that is faulty, that is an interesting thought.

A Remake of the queen may be in order then, cliff walk may be a bit much but she doesn't have wings for nothing. I would like to see what you do while I try to make brand new queen and see if this would resolve the issue.

As for HotS that would be a no, and I wouldn't be upgrading myself if I had it. However I would instead make a seperate version, that is for HotS players but you'd still have to reconfigure a lot of the code to include the new units.

@KenjI03: Go

I dropped Auto Turrets to .5 and they're still twice as fast as rifles with a bit more dmg they seem to do just fine especially since they're still upgrade able via the military research center.

There is one problem though. I've come down to two options for this unit.

• Pulsegunners* (the Bane of the Queen via Stun) I cannot for the life of me find where this stun is, how its being applied. So I cannot fix the stun from happening, it happens every game I've played on Yours, Mine, and the official versions. 50 Pulsegunners all shooting at the same time against her, she only does the attack animation but never finishes the actual attack.

Two Options for this Unit.

1: Remove It and upgrade the Machine gunner a bit.

2: Remake from Scratch, hopefully finding the root or solving the issue from remaking this unit.

I wanted to know your thoughts on this, because the Queen becomes a limp fish vs a bunch of Pulsegunners, and if you'd help so we could fix our versions from this easy way out of beating the queen.

@KenjI03: Go

Ever since you opened the Official Mod up. I dove right in, and actually made another Map called Empire Builder (Rev) so that I wouldn't change the official mod in the case my version had fatal flaws. But during my week of exploring the code, and testing, patching. I have found several solutions to the lag. Today I played a game with others, nearly 2 hours in and experienced very minimal lag spikes except when we were using our armies to take on the angry queen.

I would be happy to help your map with lag spikes as well so I'm sharing this information. Change all fire rates to be above .5 including those notoriously spammed Auto-Turrets. By doing this, I have really seen a massive improvement on lag. I had other players telling me they didn't notice much lag like before where they'd drop to 0 fps. I can also give you a copy of the refined code for you to check out.

I've done a lot in the week, I am very impressed with the whole design. I don't have all of it under wraps, such as I wish to limit the spawned units to a certain cap so that it checks the cap before spawning, to help with late game lag where no one takes out spawners.

I believe we need to talk, I honestly don't know where to start except by saying thank you. ^_^

Majority of my changes are in the patch notes of my map if your curious. Looking forward to trying your map out since you fixed some things. :D

Kenji I noticed you updated again, did a modification on the machine gunner. I'll have to check that out.

May have possibly found the biggest lagging culprit of all times for this map. :O

• Spawners* randomly placed on ramps so that no swarms can get out. Noticed in a few games and caught them early, once I realized what was going on. The longer you let them sit, the worse the lag will be when its found. Otherwise you dont have lag till you either have 300+ there or you have visited the location and seen the masses. :O But heres something else i noticed that lags horrendously. 50+ pulsegunners all shooting at the same time. :O their laser animation, overkill if you watch. i had 80 and it slowed me down to 20 and sometimes 1fps. I didnt even see them shooting after that, but i saw kerrigan fall over XD

Love the pulse gunners, they're my favorite unit and the only one that actually lists stats when you hover over them in the barracks. XD

Play on hard and very hard so far, both maps. Love the bottom of both maps. Left side has ridiculous turtle potential but hard pushing potential if you wait to long, the whole south side truly has this feature if you do a early wall and turret spam quickly. You can control a whole half of the map without fighting for it later :O Or sit and turtle cus you can't expand. =P

The northern is tougher, challenging but if you grab that cliff overhang before the zerg does or have a partner on that cliff. You can easily fend off the upper left. The upper right of the original map is the most difficult. 2 wide ramps, and a large opening of flat entrance. Seems the zerg rush that area the soonest and the hardest. :O I've played in all areas of the map. Even the slaughter pit on the left of the mega hive. (:D most epic scene, 300+ zerglings going up one ramp already dieing as they venture towards the second down ramp, and into the pit where theres an epicload of blood and bodies till the wave is over. :O sadly broodlords turned that game into a sour one cus i couldn't get out of there =P to many spawners on the map.) But I prefer the area just below the upper left, and the bottom left where you have two entrances in, mostly them rushing around the cliff getting slaughtered by your turrets before they reach your walls. :D less expansion early game, but quick tip I've been advancing with on the original. Send your scvs to other small cliff closed off areas and wall them early, with two turrets so that way middle game you can easily expand in them.

Its all about strategy truly when you place your capital, and walls with turrets. With a few strategic placements of walls and turrets early game, you've set yourself for a epic expansion. Spawners plop in your area? no problem, militia and scv + turret that stuff before it gets out of hand asap. Oh and maintain those walls, don't forget your setting yourself up for that epic expansion. More turrets the later you go, never forget them. The moment you forget about them - Better believe they'll be swarming your place like its a zerg fest. =P!

For the life of me, I watch players build barracks, houses, substations, and go 'how do i make money?' DX and they quit even after i give them money and guide them. *face palm* but there have been a steady few who knew what they were getting into. Probably not many new players go to this website but I've got quite a bit I can go on about if anyone is interested in learning different tactics. I've played around with most of the Governments and Econs. Oh and tell people you aren't that great yet and ask for advice, if you need it in game. I can carry people through hard on my own, even to the point of I have to let them build in my own area. XD I've done this twice, lemme tell ya its like putting two legs in one pant leg.... just not enough room. But if planned correcty in the right areas, room is not an issue. I have seen someone hold off in the center :O just plopped daringly, oil build mind ya. Did not die all game. Couldn't believe it with how close to the megahive he was.

I haven't tried soloing the boss after I solo'd it on easy with nothing but militia when you didn't have military or walls because the military card was broken. :O! epicness, shoulda seen the masses of militia taking arms and running at her. XD It was no joke, she died with 5k+ kills on her. It was pretty awesome, I used the houses as my walls. walled it in asap, built farms as roads had one farm entrance guarded with like 20+ militia mostly behind houses. But i'd spam militia if i needed it or not every wave. Now for those of you who said playing with military button and walls, turrets was impossible. I do not solute thee till you have felt the harshness of no walls or barracks for even the simplest of better military units. :O just militia. 6k+ against the angry queen. I gave her props that game, had me spamming militia for 10 mins or more. She was waltzing in my front door, smashing my house walls like they were going out of style but my masses of militia were keeping her pinned fairly close to the entrance. I was in the upper left of the original map, no cliff take over till mid game Expanded out to the tip of the of the canyon there. All of that was used for houses and farms. I was pumping out around 100+ militia every chance i got.

I'm looking for steady learning and perhaps advanced players to play on very hard and up. My game ratio for very hard is around 2/8 with the random people that join and quit or can't keep up with the slaughter fest. Yes I said slaughter fest. :D So until I can get some seasonal players to work with and work out my own kinks I can't see the hardest difficulty swinging this way anytime soon. XD Everyone says go hard or go home... well they end up leaving me behind cus they went home. *insert sad face*

Games usually take me around 1-2hrs. Fastest game 55mins, normal difficulty but that wasnt alone either. =P

I'm wondering if this is where I can post about both maps... Well here goes.

Kenji, Awesome job on your map. I wanna try making a similar map, if at some time may i have the mod you use for the econ so I may build a similar map?

Now on to the notes I took while playing.

Kenji's Edition: 4stars Gotta say awesome terrain again, when all the bugs are fixed It will get the 5stars :D now here goes.

-Hospital dont heal militia, or may not heal at all.

-In CC trade, cannot find host? 3 player verified in game including host.

-Militia when spawned do not start with more than 17 hp even when upgraded.

-Lost all hotkeys somewhere along the line of the game. Went to hit c for my houses, and no militia.

-Advanced Medical Training doesn't disappear after researching... perhaps this is part of why healing isn't working?

-Recon Armor 0.22 when upgraded a few times? same with snipers

-Can't upgrade to high density once maxed medium housing.

-Pulsegunners seem to have infinite energy or don't use it?

+Liked the research upgrades starting at 2 or 7 for the offense and defense. That shocked me.

+Econ looks good, definitely not bad. Farms at 15? loved that increase didn't have spam farms across the land.

+Renamed things, thats original btw the school appearance thats a bonus. :D refreshing

+Queens chamber for the base, pretty epic looking. -Died to fast imo for its epicness.

:O I think I'm done. Also I was talking to you Kenji on SC2 but i had all those DCs and net issues that I never could read very much of what your thoughts were on all that I had said. So i was wondering if you remembered, share them now?

Btw for those who play empire builder, I'm a addict to it. 495 is my ID# on SC2 same name, I'm looking for steady players for Non-PVP Empire builder games. But I also play other games.

Thank you Kenji, for adding me and trying to talk to me :D never would have come here had you not told me. XD

Peace, talk to me later.