SC2Mapster

hi everyone, i want to say i really like your map, it is tons of fun. But most of the times in end game i cant play for shit! it gets so laggy i get around 1 frame per 30 second. I noticed that one cause of said lag was the laboratories. Seriously, this happened 2 times last game. I was lagging ultra hard maybe around 30 minutes in the game and had 3 labs up, and the moment i cancel them, it stops lagging. Same thing around 45 minutes, my screen keeps going black and cant even move from the frame showing on my screen and cant even write text. So i text my friend which is in the game at that time and i tell him to tell everyone to cancel their labs, and suddenly MAGIC, i can play again after having the same image on my screen for about 5 minutes. Now is this a plausible cause of this intense lag or is it just a coincidence? have a good day!

Kenji, can you please change the bank?

Currently most games go like this:

1. Player rushes to place with multiple oil wells 2. Builds bank 3. Takes out insane loan 4. By the 5 minute mark they have several level 4 oil wells 5. Repay the loan

You can do this comfortably with just 2 oil wells, and have an positive income balance by around 12 minutes. I just did I just did a very hard solo, without much effort (i beat it 45 minutes into the game). It unfortunately renders all the other strategies obsolete.

My suggestion is:

• Make the Bank require a University
• Cap the loan so you can only take out 10k every few minutes
• Reduce the sell value of oil

If possible it would be nice to make the sell value of a product go down, the more there is stockpiled in the global market.

Another suggestion:

• Level 2 walls (Currently they have an insignificant amount of HP)
• Laboratories are way too powerful, the rate they generate science at is too much
• Remove the message stating you do not have enough resources to sell X.
• Change the camera back to the default SC2 camera, during late game it lags so badly when zoomed out.

Also some minor bugs:

• Sam sites cannot be sold

I might be doing something wrong, but I just can't find the Oil Well... A hint? :-)

Thanks for a great map!

@KenjI03: Go

OK Thanks.

Hi all. I'm new to the map and think it's great. I did notice a bug when i was sandboxing. The defensive structures many times do not heal fully - 1 or 2 hp from full. This causes the scv's to accumulate on a single structure indefinitely and try mightily - in vain - to fully repair, ignoring those structures that are in dire need of their services.

Again, great map. Thanks for all the hard work.

@KenjI03: Go

Well you could turn oil wells into like a vesphene geyser, and make oil wells a refinery. This causes units to roam less, in my experience the zerg units didn't go idle but kind of just wandered around aimlessly.

And if you aren't going to make uranium have a use other than as tech, remove it completely and make the fission upgrade more expensive.

Edit: Seem to of lost the replay, I'll try getting the bug to happen again.

Edit 2: Has something to do with the maximum amount of buildings allowed to be on the map at any time? was happening to other people.

Bug: Info board showed tax and food balance as 0 after purchasing or selling a resource. Bug: After building a market it would spam at the bottom left, food/oil/metal being sold in lumps of 1000. This would also cause the information board to 0 tax and food balance.

Impossible to play corporate with free market, without the aid of someone continuously selling food. Although if someone is selling food it becomes a extremely over powered strategy, stronger than oil/bank glitch. Requires 5 farms for a large house with 8 energy. Only gives 22 income.

Lag needs fixing. Some people find it unplayable, possibly the reason so many people leave games 30mins+ in.

From what I recall the structures that disappeared, included, high density housing, factories, starports, hospital. I was playing using the NA map. It happens very rarely, also happens sometimes if you upgrade a housing density when there is a militia stuck in the building, otherwise the building would randomly jump somewhere else where there is free space. Do you want a replay?

I'm quite familiar to the Warcraft 3 editor and the old Starcraft editor, although I haven't messed around with the Starcraft 2 editor, I can offer some suggestion in reducing lag in the map. Creating a "smarter AI", can reduce the total number of units on the map, making Zerg spawns go directly to a players bases and/or defenses can and should reduce the total number of Zerg units and the map, and also causing the game to be slightly harder. Also making zerg despawn after a certain amount of time of not attacking (120secs) so that units don't build up in empty regions of the map.As well as doing the following, changing oil/food into a tangible resource such as credits and metal, and making each well, farm and mine give its resource like an automatic refinery. This makes the game less trigger heavy. If there are to many resources changing tech points into a "virtual" currency would be a better idea.Making the information tab update every 3 - 5 seconds.

Edit: Balance: Increasing supply cost of units and giving them a slight buff/nerf. Will also reduce lag by making armies smaller, yet just as powerful. Balance: Creating Small, Medium and Large oil wells. Making oil a required resource in order to get to a higher tier of units, buildings, tech. Right now oil is either used either, for money or to fuel vehicles(not required). Making Medium to large oil wells controlled by Zerg camps and bases will give players a reason to create armies in the early game and to expand from their "turtling bunker". Balance: Making structures with upkeep inoperable without the required money. "This is really necessary because lab spam is still really strong" Balance: Adding a ground, anti air unit. In PvP, fighters are really powerful against ground based sieges because they can knock out scouts which give vision and being near a base makes it near impossible to kill bombers if your fighters are getting owned by local AA turrets. Balance: Making Uranium an actual resource and not a tech structure sort of thing. Balance: Increasing Nuclear reactors electricity output by 250 but making it require uranium as fuel. Also decreasing it's size so that it only takes up 2x2 space. Giving it its own unique upgrade which makes it use less uranium. Making the turbine upgrade make the nuclear reactor consume more uranium. "They are currently, overpowered. They require no resource, only require a uranium deposit, and produce more energy than a oil refinery."

Bug: Hatcheries, Spawning pools, Evolution chambers can spawn in your base. Really annoying early game. Has happened to me a least half a dozen times.

Bug: Structures disappear after being built, and cannot be selected and the land cannot be rebuilt upon. As well as units spawning on this land despawning completely. "Don't believe me? I'll give you a replay" Also increasing income timer to 20 seconds increasing resources earned in accordance. (This is my friend, debatable)

Like I said I'm not familiar with the Starcraft 2 editor, this may or may not fix the problems you may or may not be facing. Thank you for your time and effort. Greatly appreciated. I'd probably stick to posting bug fixes. Sorry if my sentence structure and my grammar are starting to slip.

I suggest either doing the follow as the Official version of the game is pretty much non-existent to everyone.

Either remove Empire Builder (The unimplamented mod) so that people will play the official release. Or remove the official release and update "the unimplamented mod".

Also, I'd like to see a remake of the terrain as it makes some bases awkward to build in, rocks and trees block building placement, and hills and mountains clip into building models, I'd also like to see less high ground bases. I don't know if you have played heroes and empires, which is a map from Warcraft 3 which is a more complete and refined version of this one.

Also I'd like if you'd change the way oil and uranium spawns, because the RNG aspect of the game makes it somewhat off putting. Sometimes the map spawns with oil and uranium in such open places and in other cases the map oil and uranium spawn in the most easily defensible areas on the map.

Is it possible to make like building houses and buying food from market etc. update that thingy live?

bug: Buildings which haven't finished building act like they are completed. Examples: Hospital gives off aura before being completed, uncompleted laboratories create tech points, something similar also occurs with mines, farms, power plants.

Roads should be re implemented, just my opinion. Thank you. Love to play with you sometime. These are simply my ideas and views.

I have played the map several times and i am having a ton of fun.

But the bank is broken, you can take out 100k at the start build to universities, then build oil wells, wait till you hit a massive stockpile of oil and sell it. In 15 minutes your debt is repaid, and you are crazy ahead of everyone else.

Make it so the bank only can only offer you a Loan once every 30 seconds, and have a maximum amount of loans.