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I couldn't test many times however because getting that energy is either very long or instantly filled cause of a good shot. I think it should be more constant...

This is already going to be addressed in the next patch by increasing how much energy you gain. Hopefully it'll fix that issue while still keeping the special units as a bonus instead of the norm.

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1st, I think you moved the camera a little more down to be able to place the Dialogs. However this prevent me from seeing the top player's name. Look at the screen shot.

Yup, I noticed this too, it's already in the next patch. It made it into .06 because it looks fine for player 1 :P

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2nd, the "Practice Round" text and what is under is a little too big and doesn't completly fit in the screen. Like half a letter is outside the screen.

Easy enough to fix :)

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3th, the 1, 2, 3 and 4 special abilities should be clickable with the mouse to select them and not only with the keyboard. Until now, you could play the whole game without your keyboard. If you can't click on these, you must use your keyboard.

I'll see what I can do :)

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4th, the Ultralisk weapon as I have mentionned in my suggestions is something a little hard to balance. Right now, you can launch it with a very huge angle so it bounce on eatch side until clreaing all the board. Also, if you launch it with the huge angle, it takes a while before ending, this moment allow you to launch less balls and maybe be less in problem faster after.

Yea, as it stands right now, the Ultralisk is the most powerful. Especially with the energy rate change mentioned above, I'm going to tone it down a bit. That will be done either by not letting it bounce off walls, or limit the number of units it can trample, etc.

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5th, I've encountered a new bug where a balls falled and something happend and a ball becomes frost on the bottom and I lose. Look at the screen shot and replay at 13min15. (hope it's the good replay... didn't save under another name than automatic and too bored to re-open sc2 and make sure)

I will look into this, thanks for the screens and replay!

Version .06 now on Battle.net!

Fixed an issue where the "Next" unit could be used as a part of a match and lockup the baneling.

Fixed (hopefully) an issue where units could sometimes stack on each other when shooting in the corner.

There is a new energy bar a the bottom of the screen that is used to purchase special units.

• The bar will fill up based on units destroyed and drops.
• Once you have enough energy, select a special unit with keys 1-4 and right click to use that unit.

New Special Units Added!

• Bomb Bot: A launched unit that explodes on impact and destroys all units around it!
• Ultralisk: A launched unit that will trample all other units in its path!
• Changeling: A launched unit that will change itself and all others around it to the type of unit that it hits.
• Dropship: A launched unit that will pick up the first unit it hits and bring it back to the baneling for launching.

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I have fixed the issue for the "Can't Shoot" bug video, it will be included with the next patch.

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Hey, I got something for you ;) Take a look to this video...

This bug, however, the "Stack Bug," I am having the hardest time recreating. I've gotten it a couple of times but I'm not as consistent as you were. I believe I have fixed it, but it's hard to tell since I couldn't do it frequently anyway.

As mentioned before, I probably won't have another patch until this weekend or so. My next additions will be special units! I've decided that I'm not going to focus on the looks of them so much as the behavior and abilities they have. So many of the units will be placeholders with little to none of the intended final version animations. My plans so far include:

Special launched units:

• Ultralisk - A bowling ball type of unit that will squish all other units in its path.
• Bomb bot - A unit that will explode on impact, destroying all balls immediately around it.
• Dropship - A unit will launch, grab the first ball it hits, and brings it back to the baneling and it will now be your next shot.
• ??? - A unit that will change all of the units around the hit unit to be the same type of unit.

Special Stuck Units

• Medic Cube - A ball that will grant you an 'extra life' meaning that once you would otherwise lose by having a ball go below the board, it clear clear the bottom 3 rows and allow you to continue playing without losing. Granted by shooting or dropping the ball.
• Bomb - This ball will explode on impact destroying all units around. Dropping this bomb instead of hitting it will make your next shot a bomb bot as described above.
• Lightning Cube - Hitting this will destroy all other balls on the board of the same kind.

Special Banelings (Probably not going to make it into the next patch)

• Red Baneling - More likely to come across special units to launch, but player will send less trash.
• Blue Baneling - Receives less trash, but receives less special units.
• Purple Baneling - Sends more trash and receives more trash.
• Yellow Baneling - Takes longer for new rows to be inserted but will receive slightly less (but more than Blue) special units and receives more trash (but less than Purple)
• Pink Baneling - Shows trajectory but sends less trash.
• Green Baneling - Receives average amount of all.

All of these ideas are very much subject to change and are open to suggestions!

Oh I see what happened, it used his "Next" bubble to make the match, which obviously shouldn't happen. it will be fixed next patch. Thanks again for bringing these to my attention!!

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Thanks for that video, it really helps narrow down what's happening. It should be fixed in the next version, which probably won't come out until this weekend.

Do you have any replays or video of your enemies getting stuck?

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It's kind of late right now so that's why my reply won't be very long ;)

Anyway, I like the idea of combos, it will be added in the future :) With the mention of hitting 4 more, that's already in there now, if you destroy say 5 at once, two pieces of trash will be sent.

I did just change the camera thing you mentioned, let me know if it helps.

Thank you for the other ideas, but I'll be honest, those kinds of things are going to be low priority for me. My main focus is to hash out all of the game play functions and work out the bugs. Then in the later phases of the game, I'll polish the looks and feel of it. So things like the bank or the death animations will probably get put on the back burner. I do appreciate hearing your ideas though, but I just wanted you to know just in case you wonder if I'm ignoring them.

I will check out the replay sometime tomorrow to see if I can see what happened.

Have a good night and thanks again for taking the time to provide your feedback!! :D

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Just had a small bug, two balls overlap in top left: The balls: http://i.imgur.com/Zduie.jpg The balls still together after a drop: http://i.imgur.com/R75Ic.jpg One of them explode: http://i.imgur.com/cn7u0.jpg The other one: http://i.imgur.com/S5etH.jpg I don't know what happened to get them stacked...

I'm not sure what happened there, do you have a replay of that to see, or if you can even send me the replay I can check it out.

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I think you could make the current ball bigger or more shiny, things like that, arrows... There are a couple possiblities to try ;)

I'll see what I can do :)

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Well, I figured that only the Command Center had no sound or it really quieter... All the others have some sounds. I also think that some have the same sound, kind of small explosion or somehting. It would be great if it was like the Mine, this one has a distinctive sound.

I checked and the CC is playing a sound but maybe it's not as distinct, I can look into a different or louder sound for it.

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The unit shadow is pretty big for the small unit in the bottom right. I wonder if the shadow itself is really needed. If not you could probably remove it (somehow xD) This would probably reduce the lag even more.

The shadows aren't really needed, I'll probably take the out all together.

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I wonder if the board would be looking better with a few doodads around to hide the edge of the hidden cells. The creep texture is cool, but, i feel like it needs something more ;)

I agree the looks of things like that could use some work, but I think it's lower priority to gameplay at the moment.

And about the Force Field only when dead, it does make a good difference ;) I'd say keep it like this.

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Score Screen aesthetic again xD The unit trained point... I don't think we need those mhuahaha. When you look at them, it shows us how you made the map =P Yeah, how the hell would you have like 2 000 trained units, if you only have shot 200-400 times maybe? This proves you have 4 places on the map for eatch players like; 4 big playboard, and 12 small to show the other players. (That's my guess ;) ) And at game start you only hide the required board to play on. That's why if you start with less player, the unused board still show its cells.

That's pretty close to how it works, not sure if I can take that out of the score screen, but I'll check.

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Okay so there's a lot in your previous message (which is great btw) so I'll try to address all of this piece by piece ;)

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1: Some (let's call them balls) balls, got stuck floating in the middle. After killing at less a 3 balls, they fell like if they were stick to something destroyed. I think this happened by waiting a bit after having incoming trash. So when you shot, the trash was moving upward and stopped on the ball you just shot that was continuing its way toward the top.

In my head (and even in the coding) I have been calling them bubbles :P Either way though I'll know what you're talking about. Anyway, this issue *should* be fixed as of later last night. The trash wasn't waiting for the ball to stick before launching the trash, so just as you said, the trash was sticking to where the ball was at while it was still moving up the board. The trash should now be waiting for your launch to finish before, if it's still happening, please let me know.

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2: Two games started at the same time having a double countdown and GO! that resulted in a instant lost and a new game starting, but having the buggy GO! stuck in the middle for the rest of the games.

The buggy GO! stuck on screen should also be fixed as of last night, but I wasn't aware that it was due to two games trying to start at the same time. That should be fixed in my next update.

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This map have a lot of potential I'm 110% sure of that. However, you will need some variations in the gameplay. It will eventually get boring. Right now it is awesome, in 10 games it will still be awesome but in 50 games, in 100 games, people will be getting bored, it will need something more than shooting on the right unit type.

More variety is on the agenda, but nothing that strays terribly far it's current gameplay.

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I think you will of course need a single player mode with probably different difficulties.

Yes, single player mode is on the agenda! One type against computer opponents, which will require me to get some decent AI going and the other will be a clear the board type of style.

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You could have a countdown timer before it moves down.

Right now it is going by camera shakes much like the Bust-A-Move games I've seen, but I can look into adding a countdown.

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You could have some special effects such as: ...

I like a lot of those ideas, especially the special types of balls just like they have on BAM. Things like the trajectory and ball highlighting I'm not going to rule out right away, but I'm not sure about. I think some of the skill comes from the player figuring out the trajectory and seeing all the moves by him or herself. Again, not ruling them out, but if they're implemented they would be lower priority and might just be limited to those with lower game ratings to assist them in learning the game.

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Well, even if it's really cool to just, enter the game and play, I think you need some sort of menu to choose for different game mode.

An in game menu will definitely make it in the game at some point, but since there aren't really any options implemented at this point, there isn't really a point in having one right now ;) I am open to the ideas you listed and any others you can come up with as well.

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A last thing about this map is low end computer can actually run it well. But, in my case for example, I have about 8-9 fps when we're 4 players and two of them are full of stuff and dead. So basicly, when a player is dead I think it should remove his stuff or maybe create a unit with a flat grey doodad and make it takes all the space so you visually know that this player is dead, but you don't need the Force Fields plus the units, for actually showing this player is dead. I like the idea of placing Force Fields when dieing, but I think you need a little more effects. For example you're dieing. The Force fields appears. It looks like frozen. I feel like from here, the force fields should just explode at the same time of the unit and then place the Grey unit. Or something like that. Anyway, maybe it's just my comp that is really bad, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone... and such "small" games are generally fast and cool for everyone.

I want the game to be as lag free as possible for everyone! Not trying to brag or anything, but my computer is on the higher end of things for SC2 so it's hard for me to tell if something is creating lag for lower end PCs or not. Your feedback on this is much appreciated! To start out, I will update the game today to just leave the force fields behind, if this still doesn't help with the lag, well you know who to tell :P

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Oh and random fact: this game is 5 stars even just with the music choice ;) GJ

Well thank you, my partner in crime with this map, cupcakeyarn, created almost all of the board layouts and found that music. The music is by Rainwave, his site is http://rainwave.newgrounds.com/ He's got some awesome music out there, so check him out for more!

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- You should not be able to kill yourself by launching under a ball at the last line via a bounce... I feel this to be kinda stupid, you want to do a bounce on the wall but it's still under the last line when it comes back...

I'll look into this, allowing the baneling to shoot that steep of an angle let's you fit the launched ball underneath all of the last row if you need to. Because the angle is so steep though, you can, as you mentioned, still hit underneath a ball right above your baneling. I'll give this some thought, but right now I feel like if you didn't estimate the angle off the wall correctly, you shouldn't get a free pass. I feel like that could take some of the skill out of the game, not a lot obviously, but some.

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- You should not receive trash under the last line. This is instant death and random. It should fill randomly through the empty spot.

I'll give this some thought, but afaik BAM was the same way and that's why it behaves that way in Baneling Bobble.

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- You can shoot by right clicking. This isn't a real issue, but, I wonder if it's really usefull or if it will cause more miss shot caus of lazy finger haha.

Hmm, I hadn't noticed this before, it will be changed to only shoot from the left click as intended.

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- In every games I've played I always missed a couple balls thinking the "Next" is the one that I'm shooting... Even if I know it's not, the ball behind the Baneling is like less "visual important" so you're eyes are just going to the next ball and say hey that's what I'm shooting. But no!

This has happened to me too! I don't have a great way to draw your eye to the current ball, but I'll try to figure something out.

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- There is a small aesthetic issue with launching sound where some balls don't have launching sound ;)

I'll look into this, all launches should have their own sound. Is it possible that the particular launch was just quieter than the others?

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- I don't know how the points are calculated, but if you do a big drop you will instantly gain a monstruous amount of points... I feel this to be a bit too much.

As mentioned in your next post, the points for drops are calculated by 10 * (2 ^ x) just like in BAM, the only difference is they capped how much can be scored per drop, but I just haven't capped it yet. Their cap was 1,310,720 points (17 balls) and I'll likely make mine the same. At the moment, points don't really do anything anyway. In the future there will probably be a mode based around points, first to 2 million or something like that.

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- Minor issue also, 1280x1024 sees everything but like, the last right line of the other players on the right part.

Good to know, I'll shift the view slightly to try to fix that.

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- Minor aesthetic, change the army value to 0 so the score screen won't show something stupid for nothing

Easy enough to change!

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So, from here I'm just going to say that if you want more feedback for a futur update, or just want to play, feel free to send a MP ;) Or even add me in Sc2. We played a game recently. I wish you good luck for your map and keep going, great work!

Well thank you for all the feedback, I'm glad that you're enjoying it! Keep that feedback coming, it's always welcome!