What an ignorant statement, from the writer... What I read was this... Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real, and IF he was... noticed they are still humoring the idea meaning in their heart no matter how small they still believe so they contradict themselves, That if god was real, it would be "too much work" to go to heaven.. so what I am seeing is... Atheist are too lazy to be decent humans... Just from what that article said.
Referring to the article you posted however long ago... the forums are buggy today haha
I just don't feel I could keep up that level of arrogance.
"Oh, please spare me a moment while I telepathically communicate with the creator of the universe to wish for a new car while millions of people are starving to death."
Nope. You`re just an ignorant. Morals are `nice and all`, and can mostly be deduced from human reasoning but the Commandments are a more perfect reality, and its not open to choice by the individual. You are commanded to obey it(Including YOU). The New testament takes it much deeper.
I'm beginning to think that I'm being Poed, but whatever, I'll bite.
4 of the 10 commandments are useless.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Yeah okay. Not a moral statement.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
Also not a moral statement and I have a graven image of Jesus, who is supposedly God, to my left. I bet you do too.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Also not a moral statement.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
And the 4th of the "pointless" commandments.
I'm not obliged to obey these ones, and I think they're stupid. Most Christians don't hold the "no graven images" one very highly either.
1 and 2 are but a contradiction. Morals are indeed innate.
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die. (Genesis 2:17)
Thats where it all began.
3. The argument is flawed. Because the latter is dependent on the former to exist.
But as to your point, No where does it stay morality came into existence at Mt.Sinai!. We were just made more conscious of it, and got the exact details from God Himself.
I must have not communicated properly, my apologies. It wasn't an argument, but two points I wanted to state.
We, as a species, wouldn't have gotten very far if we didn't have major reservations about killing our own kind.
So, food for thought. Why would God choose the Israelites to dispense this knowledge to? A scared, backwards, illiterate group of people, rather than the literate, capable Chinese?
Atheists "my faith in the evidence proves that my religion is the best"
Forgot that one.
Your evidence, God does not reveal himself.
Our evidence, God reveals himself.
Oh and I was not born a Christian, mentioned that before(If this was addressed at me?)
Faith, by definition, is believing something without evidence.
You can't have "faith in evidence". It's not evidence if it requires faith to believe it.
It's not that we have evidence to disprove God. We don't, and never will. "There is no God" is simply the default standpoint to take until proven otherwise, in the same way "There are no invisible unicorns" is the default stance to take until also proven otherwise.
I would, in a heartbeat, believe in God, Vishnu, Thor, Odin, whatever God you like, if presented with rational and independently verified evidence and would proudly proclaim "I was wrong".
I think I understand the point you're trying to make, but... yes? The further we go back in history the more we see violence become normal. 20th century: violence against women was 'understandable'. 18th-19th century: violence against blacks was 'understandable'. 17th-16th-15th century: raping your enemies' women was understandable. Jump back to the roman ages and slavery was acceptable, as was forcing these slaves to fight to their deaths. I'm not sure how innate our morals are, to be fair. I don't think per se that today's man is morally better than yesterday's man, but it does seem pretty clear that excessive violence, slavery, sexual abuse and similar acts become both more common and more accepted as you look further back in time.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make, so I can't give much of a reply. However, here are a few random facts that I feel are relevant;
The bible contains specific instructions on who and what you can keep as slaves, how far you can go with their punishments and the terms of their slavery.
It wasn't religion that abolished slavery. Far from it. It was by secular means that slavery is now taboo. Given that, I can safely state that;
I am more moral than the god of the bible. And so are you.
I'm pretty sure the lessening of world violence is more to do with the threat of mutual destruction with today's weaponry, alongside better communication and world trade, making many countries rely on each other and less willing to go to war. Nothing at all related to Mt. Sinai or the 10 commandments.
TL:DR:
Bible is an immoral book. What little morals it contains are obvious even to people who've never heard of Jesus.
Where should we base our judgement if this was good or bad?
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I hate this argument. The "If there is no god, how do we know what's right and wrong?"
Do you really believe that prior to Mt. Sinai, people ran around thinking rape and murder were okay? That they stood around cooing in amazement and wonder when Moses brought the commandments down?
No.
Morals are innate.
Every culture on Earth has developed a similar moral code, many without ever hearing the word "Jesus".
There are people without morals, and we call them psychopaths.
I must be ego-maniacal, because I sincerely cannot see how this post is anything but a waste of space. Calling people names and spamming memes does not make an argument. I wouldn't address your points either if that's all your argument consisted of.
Christians: "my faith in the evidence proves that my religion is the best"
Jews: "my faith in the evidence proves that my religion is the best"
Sikhs: "my faith in the evidence proves that my religion is the best"
Hindus: "my faith in the evidence proves that my religion is the best"
Muslims: "my faith in the evidence proves that my religion is the best"
Except the evidence in the bible is vastly greater and superior than any other religion. Funny how you mention Jews and Christians there, When its the same thing. Hinduism has virtually no evidence behind it and is illogical, It truly is the greatest `faith` religion. Only the bible serves reliable to testing, Which I can demonstrate to you against every other religion.
I'll keep it short because this thread is rapidly turning into an incomprehensible mass of text.
Muslims say the same about the Quran. Jews say the same about the Torah. Hindus say the same about the Bhagavad Gita, and Sikhs, well, I don't know anything about Sikhs, but I'd wager they say the exact same thing. Furthermore, you would be saying this exact paragraph about the Quran if you were born in Saudi Arabia.
How can you be so sure that you're not simply indoctrinated?
Equating religion with stupidity is a very close-minded and ignorant view, a ludicrous and laughable view in fact. I'm sure your next trolling attempt will go better though.
I agree. It's more accurate to call it the result of childhood indoctrination and social pressure. You'd laugh the bible off if you could read it with neutrality. It's really a hilarious book.
I honestly recommend that you sit down and read the bible from an impartial viewpoint.
Yup... your just mad because you cannot prove it wrong, same reason you just posted Incorrect on Mozareds statement... because when you cant find the answer you just attack whoever your debating with... sad sad little 4 ft korean troll
and as for your other statement in reply to deadzergling, if you knew anything other then trolling and blabbing your mouth you would know that there are several different versions of the bible that are accepted by different churches.... and the king James version... it is only one of the possible translations... learn history, it was first translated into Greek, then Latin, and finally old English... So there is a possibility that it has a few mistakes here and there.
Think before you troll.
Prove to me that invisible pink unicorns don't exist.
Wait, what? You're saying that there's only one possible translation of every age-old original transcript we have and that everything in it is meant completely literally or is otherwise completely false?
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I just don't feel I could keep up that level of arrogance.
"Oh, please spare me a moment while I telepathically communicate with the creator of the universe to wish for a new car while millions of people are starving to death."
It actually does sound like hard work.
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Yep, which is exactly why I'm an atheist. No point wasting time praying to one god when there's a fair chance you'll be wrong.
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You're going to look pretty stupid when it turns out that Hindus picked the right one.
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@Creation25: Go
You opened with the transitive verb form of faith, then tried to sneak in the noun definition at the end.
"I have faith in Tony Blair" does not mean "Tony Blair is faith".
I can see how this argument would work if you're comically bad at English, or 8 years old, but not much else.
Nice try though.
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Archon/sentry GO
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Threatening an atheist with hell is like a hippy threatening to punch you in your aura.
- Josh Thomas//
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I'm beginning to think that I'm being Poed, but whatever, I'll bite.
4 of the 10 commandments are useless.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Yeah okay. Not a moral statement.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
Also not a moral statement and I have a graven image of Jesus, who is supposedly God, to my left. I bet you do too.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Also not a moral statement.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
And the 4th of the "pointless" commandments.
I'm not obliged to obey these ones, and I think they're stupid. Most Christians don't hold the "no graven images" one very highly either.
I must have not communicated properly, my apologies. It wasn't an argument, but two points I wanted to state.
We, as a species, wouldn't have gotten very far if we didn't have major reservations about killing our own kind.
So, food for thought. Why would God choose the Israelites to dispense this knowledge to? A scared, backwards, illiterate group of people, rather than the literate, capable Chinese?
Faith, by definition, is believing something without evidence.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/faith
You can't have "faith in evidence". It's not evidence if it requires faith to believe it.
It's not that we have evidence to disprove God. We don't, and never will. "There is no God" is simply the default standpoint to take until proven otherwise, in the same way "There are no invisible unicorns" is the default stance to take until also proven otherwise.
I would, in a heartbeat, believe in God, Vishnu, Thor, Odin, whatever God you like, if presented with rational and independently verified evidence and would proudly proclaim "I was wrong".
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Yes.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make, so I can't give much of a reply. However, here are a few random facts that I feel are relevant;
The bible contains specific instructions on who and what you can keep as slaves, how far you can go with their punishments and the terms of their slavery.
Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5
Luke 12:47-48
It wasn't religion that abolished slavery. Far from it. It was by secular means that slavery is now taboo. Given that, I can safely state that;
I am more moral than the god of the bible. And so are you.
I'm pretty sure the lessening of world violence is more to do with the threat of mutual destruction with today's weaponry, alongside better communication and world trade, making many countries rely on each other and less willing to go to war. Nothing at all related to Mt. Sinai or the 10 commandments.
TL:DR:
Bible is an immoral book. What little morals it contains are obvious even to people who've never heard of Jesus.
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I hate this argument. The "If there is no god, how do we know what's right and wrong?"
Do you really believe that prior to Mt. Sinai, people ran around thinking rape and murder were okay? That they stood around cooing in amazement and wonder when Moses brought the commandments down?
No.
Morals are innate.
Every culture on Earth has developed a similar moral code, many without ever hearing the word "Jesus".
There are people without morals, and we call them psychopaths.
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@FDFederation: Go
I must be ego-maniacal, because I sincerely cannot see how this post is anything but a waste of space. Calling people names and spamming memes does not make an argument. I wouldn't address your points either if that's all your argument consisted of.
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I'll keep it short because this thread is rapidly turning into an incomprehensible mass of text.
Muslims say the same about the Quran. Jews say the same about the Torah. Hindus say the same about the Bhagavad Gita, and Sikhs, well, I don't know anything about Sikhs, but I'd wager they say the exact same thing. Furthermore, you would be saying this exact paragraph about the Quran if you were born in Saudi Arabia.
How can you be so sure that you're not simply indoctrinated?
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I agree. It's more accurate to call it the result of childhood indoctrination and social pressure. You'd laugh the bible off if you could read it with neutrality. It's really a hilarious book.
I honestly recommend that you sit down and read the bible from an impartial viewpoint.
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Now you're getting it.
I don't have to prove god.
You have to PROVE IT TO ME.
I'm glad you understand that.
Consider yourself demolished by your own logic.
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Prove to me that invisible pink unicorns don't exist.
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Incorrect.