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Im currently looking for Ideas/suggestions, for a possible alternative melee tech tree... any ideas are apreciated, although not all will likely go into the mod

Starcraft 1.5's main Page ___PROJECT DESCRIPTION__ (pulled from the page linked above)

This 'Project' is basically a rework of starcraft/starcraft 2 tech tree and game mechanics/systems, incorporating the best of both worlds, as-well as new/replaced units/upgrades to better fill the needed roles. The aim is to produce a fun, dynamic, balanced; races and relationship; between the 3 races, while adding some interesting new game mechanics (something i think sc2 for the most part failed to do, in attempts to 'play it safe by sticking to closely to its predecessor ) ______

at its current phase, it is in the CONCEPTUAL STAGE this means that everything posted is majorly open to suggestion/feedback and nothing as-of yet has been made, or is guaranteed to be made.

please dont complain to much about balance, except in a general sense, as none of the stats have even been tested ingame, which is where primary imbalances are discovered.

Good Balance Complaint: The protoss are currently lacking anti-bio weaponry(splash/low damage), maybe you could add something to help with this Why?; because in the current stage this is helpful, as im trying to get a good general layout of the 3 races, including what units go where on the tech tree, inorder to effectively counter other strategys, and ideally every strategy should have an effective counter if identified ahead of time. Bad Balance complaint: That unit is way to OP, it shouldnt have X ability Why?; well because no ability inherently makes a unit overpowered.. its the stats on the unit/ability that affect its overall balance.

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i agree the shield battery looked cool, however from my initial layout the pylons will have an upgrade that essentially covers the shield batteries role so chances are whatever i use as the model will resemble a pylon a bit more than the battery... Mechanic wise, this allows for maneuverability (getting a battery anywhere you have a pylon, without needing a probe nearby, and making a stronger pylon, thus reducing the need for pylons field overlap. Do you think the battery should work on structures?, and are you for/against all shields being replaced with energy (pretty much like manashield in WC3)

1st thing that comes to mind is lack of zerg AA pre-lair.

im not sure if you noticed (or if you were just pointing out sc2s current status).. but in my tech tree hydralisk den only requires spawning pool.., and on the defensive note spore only requires evolution chambers.. also @ Creep Colonies since im on the topic, does anyone think they should be buildable off creep?, or would that add to much versitility, to early in the game?, what if they just built slower off creep or something..?

You can do epic expansion denying with that.Maybe add an area around the hatchery/lair/hive where you could put it and maybe it being bigger with every upgrade?

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as-well as new/replaced units/upgrades

I enjoy conceptual discussions. I'd love to give some input until ShawnRawr comes back...

Creative and Traditional:

1. I really believe that there are a many new undiscovered units and mechanics that can really help out. Be open minded and come up with many different ideas of units and mechanics. Use other video games as references or past blizzard games for ideas. I see you made a flow chart, nice job. It does seem like it could use some work. When working on a tech tree like this, u want to avoid placing buildings/units randomly. Just because you have space doesn't mean it should be there. Its like trying to shove a corner piece of a jigsaw in the center of the picture. Gaps can be replaced with new, unique ideas. 2. Restrictions ALSO can be a great start since theres infinitesimal possibilies go about this; that can be overwhelming. Sticking with Starcraft-lore and keeping the SC essence is key. Lets bring back that dragoon and shield battery and lurkers!

Some ideas:

1.I would love to see a tech tree mechanic where players have the choice to build/upgrade units/structures and can only build one. Think of it like the CC with the Orbital and Planetary but that idea is broaden to the game itself. Think of it like Terran attachments but they are stuck on those forever. Heres a Live flow on that idea. Feel free to edit it: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1DjWkjYCHciqjF5zK4Gtv_CkUpotv7MMmXkjkuHUx-t0/edit?hl=en&authkey=CLfb5qoK

2. I think a lot of the spells found in SC1 can be great for sc2 melee; the challenge is where the heck to put them. Will queens be able to fly once again?

3. Id like to see players be able to add 'slime' upgrade to each zerg building. This will allow players to slooowly move their zerg buildings. Hatcheries cannot move but Hives can.

4. I think that dynamic terrain has lots of potential. Maybe more doodads or terrains that give 2% chance of atk bonus or 2% chance of increased armor. Have easy paths that lead to enemy base but those paths will have poisonus toxins that decreases hp by 1 each 5 seconds.

5. I'd like to see some extra names given to units when they get upgraded. Kinda like Age of empires the militia to Man-at-arms - Long Swordsman - Two-handed Swordman - Champion. Here, it will be Marine - Veteran Marine (with stim), Zergling - Speedling.

6. I'd like to see small different variety of units of the same essence. Like the Dragoon will be the 1st range unit and if you build a pylon next to the cybernetics, it will turn into the Dark Citadel which can build blinking stalkers (goons). Or, place a Robotics next to Cybernetics then u get the TempleGuard building that builds Immortals.

CREEPSTORM @expansion denying with creep colonys: yea thats whats making it a bit iffy to let them freebuild, itl also greatly increase there defense though because now they can build up at there ramp, even if creep is still a ways from it.., i could possibly reduce the movement speed of drones off creep aswell as colony build time off creep.,

QUEENGAMBIT nice post, kinda felt like you didnt read the link but thats ok :P

@ the tech tree, its not exactly confined. i decided what was gonna build from what before i made the actual tree.. i just moved the stuff around on the page to have better fit./flow :P, no part of it was really added 'because there was room'. except maybe the legend, which has nothing to do with gameplay, but helps others read the chart)

@ forced paths; i dont really like this idea to much, although your kinda forcing your path when u pick human, zerg or protoss..., but beyond that, making a decision which way to go and having no way to change that prettymuch requires atleast 1.5x the units to ensure that both paths had sufficient counters to everything, and i think this may spread the quality a little to low.., although building on that idea.. it might be interesting IF i were to allow the user 1 'hero' unit per game, and several buildings could spawn several different types of this 'hero' (probably just a buffed version of whatever tech unit that building allows, and maybe with 1-2 bonus spells, but in no way as godly as wc3 heros), also they could 'revive' (purchase again with same experience, but maybe at a greater cost)

@lurker the zerg tree already includes it.. not sure if people just arnt looking at the link or what? :P @dragoons its on the techtree image above, aswell as in my current plans for toss @shield batterys: what ive currently got is a replacement (that upgrades from a pylon, with cybernetics as a req) and still not sure if im gonna let it heal buildings

@queens fly: probably not from what ive decided there gonna kinda be like they are in sc2 (cept with different/less macro heavy role) @slime, buildings moving (especially in 'normal' mode) is really stiff concept, and when it comes to balancing, imagine if a building were trying to go down a ramp, prettymuch blocking everything in till it gets down.., at one time i had a tower concept that was somewhat like this, you built a sunken basically, which came with 3-4 tenticles, that you could build anywhere on the same creep patch as the sunken, and once built they could burrow back under and relocate, but i think my current zerg tower is a little better, and there isnt really room for both

@dynamic terrain: id definently like to get more into this... as written in my post... i do plan on reverting to the high ground miss-rate, instead of the current where yo usimply cant see up... i would like to give vehicles a speed bonus on roads/concreate, and slow units traveling in water, ect. at:Maybe more doodads or terrains that give 2% chance of atk bonus or 2% chance of increased armor. not quite sure where your goin, but if u mean that fireing over a doodad could increase the rate of missing your target, that might be possible, although completely blocking the unit from targeting a unit hiding behind a rock may be a little hard..., it might work if i could find a way to prevent units from sharing vision with eachother (which would really change alot ingame, including tanks who can shoot past there sight range, would either need more sight or less range)'

@extra names; i was thinking once the units reached level 10 they get a special name or something to go with there rank...

@variety; kinda like how dark templar comes in 2 models?, if theres extra models that fit the bill, i could definitively see this becoming a reality. @build pylon next to cybernetics, to give goons blink? what? that sounds a tad bit complicated, maybe if the cybernetics could function as a pyolon after an upgrade that also allows the goons crafted to blink.. but i dont really like this idea :P

thanks guys for the help, and for those that missed it in the first post.. heres the link again for whats currently going in the 'project' Hiveworkshop.com - Sc1.5 and the other 2 tech tree images (found at the above link, but added here for convenience) Zerg

and Human

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Oh no...Not this...were you planning to make this yourself turds? This was posted a year ago on the hive, but after reading the whole post, I realized that you were unwilling to listen and change things based on what others said. This new race idea is halfassed and crap, it doesn't sound original, it just sounds desperate. When you come back with new original ideas, and a balanced layout then makes sense, then we'll talk. But right now, it just seems like another mod we dont need.

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@whos planning on making this; officially no-one, although if anyone its probably gonna be me....., however as i said.. i havnt started, nor do i know if i will..

@new race idea is halfassed and crap...when you come back with new origional ideas; why? because the 'races' follow what sc already has?, couldnt the same be said about sc2 then.. it basically followed in sc1's footsteps keeping nearly identical tech trees..., and atleast 1/2 the units... my human/toss tech trees are quite a bit different than sc1/2, (asfar as paths you can go), zerg is a little more conservative however..., and as for origional ideas?, give me 1 example (something origional, that would actually be cool/fit).. because i have quite a few new abilitys/upgrades added already.., and any mechanic that adds 'realism' has likely been tried in some other game (thusforth 'un-origional' by your definition?)

i wasnt unwilling to listen, but "this is imba period" isnt a valid critique(esp b4 i get into the actual stats), as there is almost always a scenario/stats where it would in-fact be fair

asfar as distribution of the counters its pretty close to what sc2/sc already has.. so the layout in general isnt imba? Heres the FIRST 5 balance disagreements given in that post, and what i did in response:

"The reason everything hits on attack and doesn't miss is because league games are about skill and micro/macro. Not about being lucky ;):" - this particular comment doesnt make much sense to me.., certain units like zerglings do benifit greater from luck systems... than those that dont die 1-2 hits.. but that will be taken into account when/if the actual mod comes out... so no real change, aside from noting people are hesitant about miss chance

"Like it or not what your describing is very damn close to every unit being a Hero, or at the very least taking from Command & Conquer's promotion system used in Red Alert and Tiberium games.... making it even more 1 sided twards the winner" - i had never planned on making the leveled units significantly stronger, although i havnt really played red alert, so i cant say if this is/isnt like them.. even if it is, is that necessarily bad? essentially no change, because 'like another game" isnt exactly a bad thing.., ive already explored quite a few possibilitys to keep the game less 1 sided, although if after test this is still to good it may get removed...

"replinishing minerals would make camping to easy" after looking into this i agreed and removed it from the POSSIBLE list.., although i kept gas like sc1

"adrinaline mode not needed, people can just play game speed slow" - that wasnt the point of it, it was to increase battle time, while NOT increasing overall game time by much.... but anyways this probably wont make it into the mod..

".....You pretty much have the Hive turned into a Super Carrier building...(locust swarm type ability)" - whats so super about it? i failed to give ANY stats at this points at the time, you could be getting 2 'locust' that attack 1ce every 2 seconds for 1 damage.. so even arguing this is somewhat pointless.. it was just meant as a minor defense for the hive, since the new queen may or may not be at your base to protect it..

so outa those suggestings we have 1 actual valid balance suggestion (replinishing minerals), 3 i view as missunderstandings (miss chance, adrinaline, unit experience), 1 completely unbacked "OMG thats rigged"(hive with 'locust swarm'),

Much like QueenGambit i thought i throw some ideas out:

1. Overlords gains detection via antenna uppgrade

2. Archons, Twilight archons and Dark archons

3. Vikings built from factory, starport control tower uppgrade: Flight mode

4. And more melee, ground/subterran and less range, air for zerg, maybe melee flying unit bsed on a pinylasour (or whatever flying dinosour lizards name is something with a p anyways)

5. This is getting craazy: Probes from robo, SCV from barrracks, drones... normal.

6. Zerg units can regen better at their tech building (Zerglings take a swim in the spawning pool, mutas hang on the spire and so on (w8 ultras crawl into their cavern!?(bazinga! = ))))

7. @Shield battery idea: Dark pylon/Obelisk like sc2 Queen or Orbital command it has 3 support abilities: Shield recharge, Photon charge (faster mining), some sort of teleport and chrono boost

8. Like the idea of more "custom" melee maps with like the above mentioned toxins or like destructible bridges, switches to turn on/off force fields(bridges and gates) events like meteor shower or something (not random).

Please understand this is just some crazy ideas that I think they should implement and have zero to do with "balance"

Also i was thinking of a map of alternative melee with some diffrent tech trees/game modes/skins in 1 map, like: SC2 Brood war, Crazycraft, this stuff, dark protoss i guess, my own totally unbalanced tree, monobattle,

thanks for the ideas.. just what im lookin for :P

1. overlords gain upgrade for detect; this is probably a good idea.. although it was already added a while ago :P: (see link on first post) "Optical Sensors: increases sight range, and allows for detecton of invisible (@lair)"

2. 3 types of archons; still thinking about this one, i know im either doing 1, or 3, and the middle one would likely be a more average unit, strong and a spellcaster... might make the high templars fusion more of a spellcasting archon, and dark templars could be an anti-spellcaster maybe (feedback on attack, spell resistance ect)

3. @ vikings; i was thinking they wouldnt morph. although possibly if i added a longer transition mode (5-10 seconds), i might be able to squeeze them in. (basically id make them convert to goliaths, and goliaths convert to them, giving goliath the ground viking model, but its a bit unlikely)

4. melee flying, the new corrupter is melee range, with an aoe spore cloud (which im thinking might just become primary attack), although ive got no idea what the phylasaur is XD, its currently gonna use the old corrupters model as it seems to fit the descrip fine.

5. yea its a bit crazy to make workers anywhere beyond the main building, atleast soley, i just might allow the robo facility to make probes though, it might aide in faster expanding.. if the toss need it (there the only ones without a fast expansion method (zerg poop 50 workers in 1 setting, human can land a dropship then convert it.) so i guess if they expanded they could throw nexus, and pylon, soon as pylon is done throw a robo facility, to aide with worker production.. a bit.. id have to give it another role though.. maybe it could release repair robots or something (way slower than scvs repair but free)... although this might be to much for balance (if toss mechs can repair) ill look into it

6. @zerg regaining at their building; i think that would be just a little anoying having to split your people up to their respective base to regen

7. @shield battery: although not yet posted. i do have several ideas for this, and my current plan was to have it upgrade from a pylon. recharge ofc, but still deciding on the mechanics of it, either 1 unit at a time quickly, or 4-6 at a time for 15-20, or all nearby for 3-4 mana per sec with no mana cost to use, or some hybrid recall battery; i was thinking a shield battery could, recall 1 unit at a time, probably automatically, when hp goes below 10%, with no shielding, the recall time would have a cast time that is dependent on recalling units size, and the cooldown would be 4-6 seconds, added to the cast time. i dont have plans for any real mining aides, except maybe the zerg queens, although that doesnt aide in full saturation situations, and is only about a 5-7% bonus total to mining, and is still iffy if itl help mining, but if i were to add something for toss mining it would likely be an upgrade, that increases there mineral carrying ammounts or something, and maybe give humans pipeline; aka return gas without workers

meteor shower might be interesting, but to prevent it from being a global thing, one would have to be in caves, or something, thereby the shower only hits outside the caves.. but its definently a doable mechanic, and it would probably work pretty well, and have unique damage compared to thorns bushes which would just deal small dot as the unit moves, @ gates that go on/off; well maybe special terminals, that you bring a worker, and click on the worker automatically builds you a bridge... although gates that are invulnerable and dropable by the holder of a node might be just a little to benificial and not to mention anoying because of ai issues trying to find shortest way, and repeated drop raise will cause ur enemy to patrol back and forth possibly

@alternative tech trees; aside from a few possible map specific structures to aide in general gameplay, i doubt im introducing any special units on a map by map basis..., although a few more neutral buildings might be included still duno yet, and mercs hmm?, what do u think of rescuable mercs, or neutral hostilies sitting around the minimap?, note; unlike in wc3 they would only serve the purpose of blocking access to vital points and stuff, and would be fairly weak 4-5 marines and a medic, protecting a xel naga tower or something

as for skins, ill try my best to incorperate any skins included in the mpq, that will pop up randomly on the units of that type, as sort of eastereggs... (that or changing the skin of level '10' units to make them slightly more recognizable.. this might be simple attachments or decals though nothing to fancy if no skin is available

all in all i really apreciate the input :)

Gave the link a try and it wasn't really what i would do/what i expected anyways of to the feedback of the feedback (feedback is an awesome spell):

1. Okay sounds fair enough.

2. A few ideas for Archons: Dark archon, feedback on attack sounds good what about some sort of version of mealstrom and mind control like that the Dark archons energy go down so it has to atttack to gain energy and as long as it has energy all biological units around it suffer from decay and when it's got like 200 energy it can use mind control to turn 25% of all hostiles around it neutral and 25% of all neutrals friendly, i like the idea of that archons are unpredictaple . Would also be cool if "High" Archon has some sort of random psistorming and massive damage (+ vs Biological and Psionic like ALL archons) Twilight archon some sort of mixture i guess.

3. Well it wont give much gameplay if they can turn Goliath-Viking since i guess goliaths are anti-air. Just want to say that if u look at their models Goliaths machine guns look quite armorpeircing and Vikings more hail of lead.

4. Pretty cool then by the way look Here

5. The idea about that was to seperate the races at the very start becouse it's quite boring that they all got very alike main buildings and workers.

6. Zerg still have their auto regen but it'll go much faster if they hang out/take a swim.

7. Have it hard to imagine uppgrading a protoss buildings to another but anyways i would think it was pretty cool if protoss had some sort of teleport instead of Shuttles (wich i hate) or Warp prism (their alright) pretty weird seeing zealots and high templars in a dropship.

I totally agree that "Events" can't be global or random it would be anoying if a meteor hits your base or army. What about like after say 1 hour of time into a game lava/water starts to rise or some other kindoff "doomsday event" occurs?

@Mercs and neutrals: Mercs guarding something seems kinda good becuase it would then you can't capture stuff in the beginning with 1 worker, neutral buildings hmmmm maybe Xel'naga stuff becuase it's pretty weird that the most powerful race only as sightgiving towers to conquer.

You totally missunderstood my idea. It's about a map (not this one) that would take place on like Xel'naga caverns and would bring loads of alternative melee maps together alongside with skins and other options. This would be to better spotlight those maps and spice up the melee.

Edit: ohhh and that Nest should have some other abilitie then just larvea what about extra regen for all units around it or something because Zerg imo should have some healing

2. i kinda like the whole bio decay idea... but what if instead of that, or feedback, the dark archon decayed energy from all nearby enemys, slowly gaining his own.., maybe dealing damage to any casters for mana sapped.. the dark archon will probably be alot more specialized though, and stick mostly to spellcasters.. maybe mind control though as it is primarily good against spellcasters, especially if it last a limited time.

3. goliaths are pretty anti-air yea, but i could always make vikings anti-ground ::P, wasnt sure if i wanted them or banshees anyways.. also as you said goliaths have strong piercing attacks that make them more suited for anti strong-units, and the gun buggy already covers weak ground nicely..

4. i kinda figured it was that thing XD, although i still say i like the current one better.. although if i do scourgelings (flying banelings) i may use a hybrid of that model, with a baneling attachment to its chest

5. yea the races do start out similar, i might change it up a bit, maybe make scvs harvest 25% more, but also cost 25% more, only start with 3 instead of 4 or some stuff meh...

6. still its really anoying to split the units up like that.. if 1 building healed em all itd be practical, if i do go anything like this itl be more of just the creep adds bonus health, and maybe more regen based on number of buildings on it.. but i doubt that

7. well the waygate 'morphs' into the warp gate. a pylon is basically a generator, so it wouldnt be much of a step to retro-fit a way to convert that energy into shields aswell.. but yea 'morph' prolly isnt the right word, its more of an upgrade XD

events; i might allow for several 'endgame' events like raising water/lava. and personally im not againtst semi-random events, solong as there localized to a single path, giving the user the choice.. and that the event is well documented so they dont just run in and BAM, to late @more xel naga stuff; yea for sure :P, although i dont see any reason protoss/human structures cant be layining around aslong as their fair to all 3 races in what they offer (they cant offer something you can already build), by mercs i meant hireable hands :P,

@totally missunderstood my idea.....: ah, well asfar as resources go, it wont be long before 1-2 mods become particularly used, and include large quantities of resources, and are used in almost every map..., so you plan on adding all the alternative games to this 1 map? so when game is hosted the host picks a mode? ah

@nest having something else; in sc1 people built several hatcherys.. they dont do much else.. being a total unit producer in itself is pretty big, just maybe though they might function as nidus canals aswell, thats one of my possibilities for them, or maybe just house units similar to a bunker, except with inability to attack

also got an opinion on infested structures? im kinda against it, although i think zerg should be able to infest units (not mind control, they would essentially become weaker versions, an infested tank couldnt siege ect, and did about 50% the dmg, with 60%~ the life

Sorry for being lazy but here i am:

2. Sounds pretty good but be sure to not make Dark archons super anti-spellcasters and beware of adding to much passive abilities that will eliminate microing. Mind control is awesome though.

3. Okay, but gun buggy sounds alot like a Diamond back but vs. light.

4. Whatever floats your boat.

5. Adding 25% extra harvesting will make a fully saturated base harvest 25% more could make it OP.

6. Screw it then.

7. Just can't imagine a good animation for protoss building "morphing".

@Events: Cool then. What about those (From the Campaign) cooling towers that could destroy a part of a Spaceplatform?

@Capturable stuff: An easy thing to add could be those jorium stockpiles and terrazine thingys in "doodads" and make them grant you more mins/vespene and maybe some sort of protoss teleport?

@Mercs: Seems weird if Zerg could hire Terran mercs...

@Alternative melee map: I have no plans of doing such a map it's just an idea.

@Nest: Cool, how about making it a vulnerable part of Zerg infrastructure, low health

@Infestation: This seems more of a Contamination/Zerg slime ability then infestation, but both in SC1 and 2 there is Ensnare and Fungal so it might fit in.

ah nice @ the 25% more saturation, im sure id find a way to limit this.. for example i could make it drain minerals at the same rate, but increase the movement speed, and mineral capacity of the worker, meaning that a mineral patch is fully saturated at 2 workers instead of 2.5 or whatever, although i believe the mule probably harvest a bit faster than workers, and it seems ok.. besides humans do tend to deplete resources rather quickly..

@events: (player innitiated), yea player innitiated events might be cool, maybe 'explosives' placed on the map in certain locations that users can attack inorder to deal aoe damage to nearby enemys, or even bridges being destroyable, are all in the realm of possibiltys, however those things ill really have to see how they turn out ingame, and would ofc be a map by map basis @nest, i had low health in mind, esp if i plan on fusing it with nydus canal @infestation; not 100% sure where your coming from off hand(which post is it in?); but the infestor currently has: - Infect: Infects a small-biological(scvs included) unit with a parasite, after 5 seconds the target is destroyed, and 3 parasites emerge, and attempt to infect other biological units, parasite has 10 hitpoints, and last 90 seconds outside of a host. transport, and Dark Swarm: Unleashes a horde of Insectoids that act as cover, which increases the chance that ranged attacks targeting units inside the cloud will miss by 30% (even structures). (defiler) although i have been thinking about including a fungal type skill similar to fungal growth @toss morphing, yea it may be a bit tough to find a good toss morph anim, i might run into a bit of visual trouble.., but i think that they could probably just expand out of the pylon in sort of a generic growth @mercs: yea zerg hireing humans might be odd, but i could always replace the model while retaining stats, and name it 'infested merc' or whatever

@Saturation: o.O w/e

A real easy way to get "explosives" is to copy the barrels from the Castanar mission. Parasites seems pretty cool i been thinking about a "Invader": It builds parasites auto for like 25 mins and then shoot them on normal atk and inside a unit it can either build 5 new parasites and infect more or take over the units mind, these parasites is never a unit they are just a broodlingstrike animation.

hmm, yea i saw those explosives.. just didnt see the exact map name, wasnt it that 'secret mission"? @ your parisite concept: whats with the 'works for 25 mins' part? if it works that long why not forever? @ after it attacks u get option to build 5 more parisites or mind control a unit; just a tad complicated id say for melee

Update: heres a few toss ideas that have potential in my book, so i want feedback:

- shield generator(shield battery); upgrades from pylon, maintains its food produced, and building powering. but also - recharges energy/shields (units and buildings?) and reduces damage done to all allies in its shield area

- void ray; transforms into warp prism (with a time cost(can move while transforming), and maybe a mana cost. may also take mana to fire (build up damage), likely partially armor bypassing damage, or something (making it good vs heavy units)

-warp prism; transforms into void rays with a time cost and mana cost can move in transformation. also recalls troops via 2 abilitys (group recall, which recalls as many units in an area as possible for a mana cost based on transport size; and emergency recall, which is autocastable and recalls any unit that hits less than 10% health, with no shields at a conciderably higher mana cost, and a fair cast-time and cooldown.), Can also act as a pylon to power structures

-dragoons; get an upgrade for immortal type shields, requiring robotics bay (t3), since my latest build kinda cuts immortals outa the picture, and the role is sorta unfilled.

also it has been suggested that i add something to the nest (zerg), so i was thinking about maybe removing nidus canal/wyrm and allowing nest to function in a similar fasion (ofc you would need 2 or more nest, at different locations, otherwise it basically just serves as a way to bolster your forces.. also as per the control, i think that if you load into a nest, it should auto unload at the 'rally point' nest, if aplicable, otherwise just sit inside the nest like nydus wyrm currently is.

Also if anyone wants to chat live about this potential project; [email protected] is my live account so feel free to add me

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