No. Nihilism is simply invalid. There is absolute truth and objectivity in this world. Shit stinks, and Cthulhu is a nightmarish abomination. If you dismissed your sense of smell in the same way you dismiss your sense of beauty then you would likewise be feeding your stomach with shit, and not just your mind.
Nihilism cant be invalid, because its in the nature that everything is not valid....
"There is absolute truth and objectivity in this world" so you think everything is fully deterministic? (because without chaos/randomness, everything is deterministic (of course you will never be able to test it.... (Turing)))
Come on you crazy christians and awesome atheists, crawl out of your subterran lairs and say your oppinion out loud.
Did not know it was you who started that topic SheogorathSC, but I just felt the grounds on it were almost set for warfare. People already coming into this thread know from past experience that we do not tolerate blatant mudslinging and flaming in threads. Which is why I think there is an undertone of respect established in so much as not wanting this thread to get locked.
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Nihilism cant be invalid, because its in the nature that everything is not valid....
Are you meaning to say I'm taking a nihilistic approach toward nihilism? When I say nihilism I mean "full-blown" nihilism, the rejection of all objectivity. Anything less is just discernment.
"There is absolute truth and objectivity in this world" so you think
everything is fully deterministic? (because without chaos/randomness,
everything is deterministic (of course you will never be able to test
it.... (Turing)))
Effect without cause doesn't make sense to me. But the lack of randomness doesn't necessitate full determinism, if you are a proponent of the "sovereign being/free will" idea.
Not everything in this universe has a cause i.e. quantum tunneling & virtual particles.
I suppose you'd chalk it up to coincidence that these things happen to be on the cutting edge of scientific understanding. In truth, they are both examples of observable phenomena, meaning that they are seen but not understood.
Are you meaning to say I'm taking a nihilistic approach toward nihilism? When I say nihilism I mean "full-blown" nihilism, the rejection of all objectivity. Anything less is just discernment.
Nobody believes "full-blown" nihilism. I am saying if you "believe" nihilism, than nobody can prove the contrary to you, its pretty similar to being a theist.
Effect without cause doesn't make sense to me. But the lack of randomness doesn't necessitate full determinism, if you are a proponent of the "sovereign being/free will" idea.
lack of randomness = full determinism, of course you can believe in fancy stuffs which make up things like "sovereign being/free will", I find these very limited minded imaginations. Btw if you have soul outside of the universe, which make "free will" choices, those will be random changes in this universe....
I will just stick to that the universe have "random" elements... (like particle's spins). Full deterministic universe must be boring...
Did the experiment and it yielded results. The results were things they call synchronicity, visions, foreknowledge, understanding something or deep conviction of the essence of something, seeing something, feeling peace, assurance, comfort, 'being touched' or that they call "anointing of the spirit" where a warm energy flows from head to toe, healing, the knowledge of being 'friends' with the Lord or affinity in the sense of connection.
I don't like what religious institutions do, and some other churches do, nor some preachers do. But I'm for the gathering of people, to discuss, eat together, and be there to encourage each other. To promote good will, friendliness, and simply have fun together. Music, games, and all.
There's something wrong with the way spirituality is being questioned, and there is definitely something wrong with human spirituality and how it is being introduced or described.
To say one religion is right is not helpful. Let people try all these gods to see who among them is the way, the truth, and the life. But honestly, I'm thankful to have been introduced to Jesus. It wasn't that easy, the truth about him has been covered from me in some way or other, and fear was the greatest obstacle.
I'm thankful he answered me on that day, and showed me things on other occasions.
All the other gods are not gods, and does nothing but feed themselves. I say this simply because there's an inherent danger when one pleads to these so called gods. If a demon attacks, or oppresses, call on the Lord Jesus and he will save you. Demons will flee even by just the mention of Jesus.
There's more I can tell you, but I wish you too will know the Lord. I pray that he reveals himself to you just as he has revealed himself to many people in the past and even today. If you're sincere about it, and ask him to show you, he is faithful enough to do so for your sake.
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Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
Hmmm, if one day a "true god" reveals himself before me, I will probably say him: fuck off and get out of my life. :) (specially if I am hallucinating)
lack of randomness = full determinism, of course you can believe in
fancy stuffs which make up things like "sovereign being/free will", I
find these very limited minded imaginations.
Indeed, the human enterprise is quite "fancy."
To paraphrase the late Terrence McKenna, the truth isn't stranger than you suppose, it's stranger than you can suppose!
Btw if you have soul
outside of the universe, which make "free will" choices, those will be
random changes in this universe....
I will just stick to that the universe have "random" elements... (like
particle's spins). Full deterministic universe must be boring...
In the event that a cause from outside our localized universe created an effect within it, that wouldn't be random in the slightest.
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Ohh no, Terrence McKenna, the best thing I learned from him is to only smoke pot at every 2 weeks. :D
"truth isn't stranger than you suppose, it's stranger than you can suppose"
Agreed thats why only experiments can determine the truth...
its sad that people still believe to religions, which for example suggested that the earth of the center of universe and everything orbits around us and the universe very limited... when the truth is far from anything that people imagined in that age.
An event coming outside of our universe is random to our universe as its "cause" didnt origin from this universe. Just by reading our universe from outside of this universe is a random event (Turing...).
An event coming outside of our universe is random to our universe as its
"cause" didnt origin from this universe. Just by reading our universe
from outside of this universe is a random event (Turing...).
So randomness is not at all "effect without cause."
LOCK THIS FAIL THREAD.... HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAPPING AND IM SICK OF SEEING IT ON THE ACTIVE TOPICS ON THE FRONT PAGE.
THAT OR INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE TOPICS DISPLAYED ON THE FRONT PAGE.
Hey, it keeps our community active, diverse, engaged(the good way) and logging in. I really doubt the need to increase the active topics would make much difference(things can get quite for weeks sometimes!!), and also because we probably need curse admins to work that functionality.
I suppose you'd chalk it up to coincidence that these things happen to be on the cutting edge of scientific understanding. In truth, they are both examples of observable phenomena, meaning that they are seen but not understood.
That's unlikely at this point.
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It has since become clear, however, that the uncertainty principle is inherent in the properties of all wave-like systems, and that it arises in quantum mechanics simply due to the matter wave nature of all quantum objects. Thus, the uncertainty principle actually states a fundamental property of quantum systems, and is not a statement about the observational success of current technology.
Most scientists today agree that quantum mechanics is a complete theory. This paper shows that you can't have any extension to QM, hidden variables or not, that would increase its predictive power: http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.5173.
The truth doesn't come for you, you obtain the truth. It's just lazy to believe the truth is a god-erment handout. Truth is determined through gathering evidence and that's what science and experimentation is all about. You can claim anything as possibility in the absence of evidence, but you cannot claim it as absolute truth because you cannot verify it. You also cannot claim something as truth when a myriad of evidence exist that contradict your claim. Religious doctrines are extremely flawed "truths".
As for the tomato, it's philosophically possible, not inevitable, given an infinite amount of time. As of our current scientific understanding, it's not probable for a tomato to have the power to turn the night sky red.
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No. Nihilism is simply invalid. There is absolute truth and objectivity in this world. Shit stinks, and Cthulhu is a nightmarish abomination. If you dismissed your sense of smell in the same way you dismiss your sense of beauty then you would likewise be feeding your stomach with shit, and not just your mind.
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Nihilism cant be invalid, because its in the nature that everything is not valid....
"There is absolute truth and objectivity in this world" so you think everything is fully deterministic? (because without chaos/randomness, everything is deterministic (of course you will never be able to test it.... (Turing)))
Cthulhu is pretty much the same as Satan...
Pretty much this.
Come on you crazy christians and awesome atheists, crawl out of your subterran lairs and say your oppinion out loud.
Did not know it was you who started that topic SheogorathSC, but I just felt the grounds on it were almost set for warfare. People already coming into this thread know from past experience that we do not tolerate blatant mudslinging and flaming in threads. Which is why I think there is an undertone of respect established in so much as not wanting this thread to get locked.
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A happy jolly fat man, in red clothes, who lives in the north pole and delivers presents to all the little children around the world, and coal to the bad.
Are you meaning to say I'm taking a nihilistic approach toward nihilism? When I say nihilism I mean "full-blown" nihilism, the rejection of all objectivity. Anything less is just discernment.
Effect without cause doesn't make sense to me. But the lack of randomness doesn't necessitate full determinism, if you are a proponent of the "sovereign being/free will" idea.
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Do you believe a tomato has the power to turn the night sky to red color?
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Not everything in this universe has a cause i.e. quantum tunneling & virtual particles.
I believe that given an infinite amount of time, it is inevitable.
I suppose you'd chalk it up to coincidence that these things happen to be on the cutting edge of scientific understanding. In truth, they are both examples of observable phenomena, meaning that they are seen but not understood.
Nobody believes "full-blown" nihilism. I am saying if you "believe" nihilism, than nobody can prove the contrary to you, its pretty similar to being a theist.
lack of randomness = full determinism, of course you can believe in fancy stuffs which make up things like "sovereign being/free will", I find these very limited minded imaginations. Btw if you have soul outside of the universe, which make "free will" choices, those will be random changes in this universe....
I will just stick to that the universe have "random" elements... (like particle's spins). Full deterministic universe must be boring...
Did the experiment and it yielded results. The results were things they call synchronicity, visions, foreknowledge, understanding something or deep conviction of the essence of something, seeing something, feeling peace, assurance, comfort, 'being touched' or that they call "anointing of the spirit" where a warm energy flows from head to toe, healing, the knowledge of being 'friends' with the Lord or affinity in the sense of connection.
I don't like what religious institutions do, and some other churches do, nor some preachers do. But I'm for the gathering of people, to discuss, eat together, and be there to encourage each other. To promote good will, friendliness, and simply have fun together. Music, games, and all.
There's something wrong with the way spirituality is being questioned, and there is definitely something wrong with human spirituality and how it is being introduced or described.
To say one religion is right is not helpful. Let people try all these gods to see who among them is the way, the truth, and the life. But honestly, I'm thankful to have been introduced to Jesus. It wasn't that easy, the truth about him has been covered from me in some way or other, and fear was the greatest obstacle.
I'm thankful he answered me on that day, and showed me things on other occasions.
All the other gods are not gods, and does nothing but feed themselves. I say this simply because there's an inherent danger when one pleads to these so called gods. If a demon attacks, or oppresses, call on the Lord Jesus and he will save you. Demons will flee even by just the mention of Jesus.
There's more I can tell you, but I wish you too will know the Lord. I pray that he reveals himself to you just as he has revealed himself to many people in the past and even today. If you're sincere about it, and ask him to show you, he is faithful enough to do so for your sake.
:)
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
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Hmmm, if one day a "true god" reveals himself before me, I will probably say him: fuck off and get out of my life. :) (specially if I am hallucinating)
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Demons also fled from Zeus, Ra, Odin, Merlin, Buddha, and the various other gods and prophets from all the cultures of the world.
Indeed, the human enterprise is quite "fancy."
To paraphrase the late Terrence McKenna, the truth isn't stranger than you suppose, it's stranger than you can suppose!
In the event that a cause from outside our localized universe created an effect within it, that wouldn't be random in the slightest.
@TheZizz: Go Ohh no, Terrence McKenna, the best thing I learned from him is to only smoke pot at every 2 weeks. :D
"truth isn't stranger than you suppose, it's stranger than you can suppose"
Agreed thats why only experiments can determine the truth...
its sad that people still believe to religions, which for example suggested that the earth of the center of universe and everything orbits around us and the universe very limited... when the truth is far from anything that people imagined in that age.
An event coming outside of our universe is random to our universe as its "cause" didnt origin from this universe. Just by reading our universe from outside of this universe is a random event (Turing...).
That's not true. The truth can come to you, if you open the door for it.
So randomness is not at all "effect without cause."
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LOCK THIS FAIL THREAD.... HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAPPING AND IM SICK OF SEEING IT ON THE ACTIVE TOPICS ON THE FRONT PAGE.
THAT OR INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE TOPICS DISPLAYED ON THE FRONT PAGE.
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I think from this point onward I'm going to be deleting any post that adds nothing to this thread except 'ZE LOCK!!!'.
Hey, it keeps our community active, diverse, engaged(the good way) and logging in. I really doubt the need to increase the active topics would make much difference(things can get quite for weeks sometimes!!), and also because we probably need curse admins to work that functionality.
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Curse PremiumThat's unlikely at this point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
Most scientists today agree that quantum mechanics is a complete theory. This paper shows that you can't have any extension to QM, hidden variables or not, that would increase its predictive power: http://arxiv.org/abs/1005.5173.
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The truth doesn't come for you, you obtain the truth. It's just lazy to believe the truth is a god-erment handout. Truth is determined through gathering evidence and that's what science and experimentation is all about. You can claim anything as possibility in the absence of evidence, but you cannot claim it as absolute truth because you cannot verify it. You also cannot claim something as truth when a myriad of evidence exist that contradict your claim. Religious doctrines are extremely flawed "truths".
As for the tomato, it's philosophically possible, not inevitable, given an infinite amount of time. As of our current scientific understanding, it's not probable for a tomato to have the power to turn the night sky red.