While I agree, I think most of the non-Christians here have not been picking on the Christians at all. At least I haven't. I would just as soon question an atheist's lack of faith as I would a Christian's faith. If the reason you don't believe is because you're rebelling against your parents, or because "Religion is dumb" or because "Dawkins is right", then you're still doing it wrong. To me, it's not simply about shedding faith, it's about embracing reason and rejecting the irrational. It's about understanding the many, many rational, naturalistic explanations for what one might perceive to be a personal relationship with the supernatural, about realizing the psychosocial effect that organized religion and the religion of one's parents have on the individual, and about coming to terms with death without having a comforting maybe to tell you that there's anything after.
This series is a detailed account of the deconversion of an intelligent devout Christian. I strongly recommend it to anyone who likes to get into these kinds of debates.
Huh? What I was saying there is "too many anti-christian pictures, here are some anti-muslim ones". You read too much into things. I was just posting some silly memes to derail this thread and make the mods close it down. I think it's quite pointless.
Huh? What I was saying there is "too many anti-christian pictures, here are some anti-muslim ones". You read too much into things. I was just posting some silly memes to derail this thread and make the mods close it down. I think it's quite pointless.
Homo habilis, Homo floresiensis, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, etc...
To me that doesn`t make much sense. I cant really bring myself to believe that[logically]. I do not believe we evolved in the conventional sense.
I too can find bones, randomly date it to +-a couple hundred thousand years, and force it to fit some theory. Why would you so readily adhere and trust such pseudoscience with its questionable methods of testing and evaluations and conclusions?
Science and its theories are changing almost all the time in certain fields. Except for immutable laws and such. If for example, 50 years ago you told me that the universe was eternal, you would have been correct!, that was the science at the time. So was steady state theory and all other theories that came and went.
Science and its theories are changing almost all the time in certain fields.
That's... kinda the point. All it takes is a single situation where a theory doesn't work, and it is dissolved. Evolution has withstood 150 years of this.
I too can find bones, randomly date it to +-a couple hundred thousand years, and force it to fit some theory. Why would you so readily adhere and trust such pseudoscience with its questionable methods of testing and evaluations and conclusions?
That's... kinda the point. All it takes is a single situation where a theory doesn't work, and it is dissolved. Evolution has withstood 150 years of this.
Christianity has withstood over 5000 years of this.
It's unfair to pick just on Christians.
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0ltOoUUjr0U/UB6Q3VoupRI/AAAAAAAACjM/N0Nn7qHtwL4/s1600/most-interesting-man-Evolution-25.jpg
Is that just a list of big words some creationist picked out of a science journal?
I don't think a single point on that list can be backed up.
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Homo habilis, Homo floresiensis, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, etc...
@EternalWraith: Go
That is ... just wow.
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Do you take that seriously? I wouldn't take any source of information that has "scientism" on it seriously. It's not a word.
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I also love this guy's videos:
Actually, it is. scientism
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While I agree, I think most of the non-Christians here have not been picking on the Christians at all. At least I haven't. I would just as soon question an atheist's lack of faith as I would a Christian's faith. If the reason you don't believe is because you're rebelling against your parents, or because "Religion is dumb" or because "Dawkins is right", then you're still doing it wrong. To me, it's not simply about shedding faith, it's about embracing reason and rejecting the irrational. It's about understanding the many, many rational, naturalistic explanations for what one might perceive to be a personal relationship with the supernatural, about realizing the psychosocial effect that organized religion and the religion of one's parents have on the individual, and about coming to terms with death without having a comforting maybe to tell you that there's anything after.
This series is a detailed account of the deconversion of an intelligent devout Christian. I strongly recommend it to anyone who likes to get into these kinds of debates.
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Huh? What I was saying there is "too many anti-christian pictures, here are some anti-muslim ones". You read too much into things. I was just posting some silly memes to derail this thread and make the mods close it down. I think it's quite pointless.
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I wasn't responding to you, per se, I was just using your post as a means to make another point. My argument doesn't rely on silly memes. ;>.>
I think its fun :D
RIP Chris Stevens
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Moreover, RIP Vilerat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Smith_%28diplomat%29
Vilerat was a highly influential figure in the EVE Online community. The channels and EVE news sites are buzzing with the story.
Sure it can.
To me that doesn`t make much sense. I cant really bring myself to believe that[logically]. I do not believe we evolved in the conventional sense.
I too can find bones, randomly date it to +-a couple hundred thousand years, and force it to fit some theory. Why would you so readily adhere and trust such pseudoscience with its questionable methods of testing and evaluations and conclusions?
Science and its theories are changing almost all the time in certain fields. Except for immutable laws and such. If for example, 50 years ago you told me that the universe was eternal, you would have been correct!, that was the science at the time. So was steady state theory and all other theories that came and went.
Yep, except the biblical God is the only true God and the rest are but inventions of the human mind.
That's... kinda the point. All it takes is a single situation where a theory doesn't work, and it is dissolved. Evolution has withstood 150 years of this.
Do it and collect your nobel prize.
You can't know that.
Christianity has withstood over 5000 years of this.
Boy, did you just swing your hammer at the nail's head and hit the car on the opposite side of the street instead.