You're going to look pretty stupid when it turns out that Hindus picked the right one.
Whenever someone says something like this I think of that South Park episode where there's a bunch of guys entering hell and one says "I shouldn't be here, I was a devout Christian all my life!". The hell spokesman replies that that didn't matter and when someone asks "well, who gets into heaven then?" the spokesman checks his pad and says "I'm sorry guys, it was the Mormons... The Mormons got it right folks!". I wish that bit was on Youtube.
EXACTLY! FINALLY SOMEONE MADE A POINT! PRAISE YOU!
Okay so you dont pray to god on the CHANCE that hes not real because it would waste your time... haha being illogical much sooo waste 10 seconds here and there, or risk even if itsonly a 50% chance, Going to hell for eternity... hahaah
Im sorry but I cant help but laugh at atheist... agnosticism I can understand and pray for... but atheism thats just dumb... and kinda arrogent, thinking that you are the best thing their is, that humans are the greatest. ahahahaahah
Just you promise me guys, that when the time comes religion is abolished you won't judge people because of what they believe but in what they've done.
I hope you continue to detest violence, injustice, and uphold civil rights, and let me have a chance in the pursuit of happiness. I hope there won't be a law that will be passed saying, "Any man who claims to hold any form of religion or belief in a supernatural deity or deities, is an enemy to our freedoms," or anything of the sort.
I know how extremist can be very destructive and inhuman, I hope whatever non-believers stand on today don't go into extremes as well.
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Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
If Religion is Abolished... There will be mass bloodshed... we will not be persecuted, USA was founded on that principal. We would revolt and even if its my Grandkids Grandkids, I hope they will revolt too.
What an ignorant statement, from the writer... What I read was this... Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real, and IF he was... noticed they are still humoring the idea meaning in their heart no matter how small they still believe so they contradict themselves, That if god was real, it would be "too much work" to go to heaven.. so what I am seeing is... Atheist are too lazy to be decent humans... Just from what that article said.
Referring to the article you posted however long ago... the forums are buggy today haha
Your "Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real" point has already been refuted in this topic. No one has responded to it yet. Post #240, see for yourself.
Okay so you dont pray to god on the CHANCE that hes not real because it would waste your time... haha being illogical much sooo waste 10 seconds here and there, or risk even if itsonly a 50% chance, Going to hell for eternity... hahaah Im sorry but I cant help but laugh at atheist... agnosticism I can understand and pray for... but atheism thats just dumb... and kinda arrogent, thinking that you are the best thing their is, that humans are the greatest. ahahahaahah
Just you promise me guys, that when the time comes religion is abolished you won't judge people because of what they believe but in what they've done.
I hope you continue to detest violence, injustice, and uphold civil rights, and let me have a chance in the pursuit of happiness. I hope there won't be a law that will be passed saying, "Any man who claims to hold any form of religion or belief in a supernatural deity or deities, is an enemy to our freedoms," or anything of the sort.
I know how extremist can be very destructive and inhuman, I hope whatever non-believers stand on today don't go into extremes as well.
Provided that people don't try to influence public policy or make poor decisions for their children because of their religion, I really could care less what people believe "personally". I still think the indoctrination of children is evil, but I guess it's not my place to challenge that yet. =/
If Religion is Abolished... There will be mass bloodshed... we will not be persecuted, USA was founded on that principal. We would revolt and even if its my Grandkids Grandkids, I hope they will revolt too.
I think GNA is referring more to the fact that religion will inevitably die out from people coming to their senses because we live in the second millennium, not the stone age. But that's probably wishful thinking.
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What an ignorant statement, from the writer... What I read was this... Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real, and IF he was... noticed they are still humoring the idea meaning in their heart no matter how small they still believe so they contradict themselves, That if god was real, it would be "too much work" to go to heaven.. so what I am seeing is... Atheist are too lazy to be decent humans... Just from what that article said.
Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.
C. S. Lewis
If somebody gives me proof that the christian version of God and the afterlife exists, I'd abandon everything I'm doing now and start living like a monk. So my question to you is...what's stopping you from doing that? If your rewards in an infinite paradise are proportional to your behavior in your short finite lifetime on this rock, then you should be on your knees praying & glorifying god every waking moment. If you're absolutely certain that God exists, you're wasting your time typing on this forum, making maps, and having any pretensions of living a fulfilling and successful life. You have to pick whether Christianity is of infinite importance, or zero importance.
If religion is abolished it's because all individuals decide individually not to belong to any religious organization and to not blindly follow religious doctrine/dogma as undeniable, ultimate truths. Since more and more people are getting better education (albeit slowly), more and more people reject religious doctrine/dogma. Just like how people learned about neuroscience and now understand that "demonic possession" is a misnomer for mental illness (i.e. schizophrenia); or how people now know that diseases are caused by bacteria instead of ghosts, curses, demons (i.e. Bubonic Plague); or how people now know that stars are not gods, angels, and etc.
If god was real, there would be evidence. Religious people tend to be too complacent and naive (possibly the result of mental illness, low IQ, some type of brain deficiency, traumatic experience, etc) to believe that the words of neolithic cultures are pure evidence of god's existence. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same probability of existing and not existing as god because the only "evidence" to support both are people's words. You can replace all the references to deities with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and you could not disprove the new versions as untrue.
You can't say that religious people are "more decent" than atheists (shown by current events and historical records of religiously motivated violence, crime, etc.; the Crusades, witchhunts, pedophile priests, examples that have already been said in previous posts, but you were too lazy to read them or you lacked the ability to remember them) and you can't say that atheists are "more decent" than religious people (Soviet Union, "communist" China) because decency, morality, ethics are independent of religion (again the point has already been made in previous posts, but you were too lazy to go read them or you lacked the ability to remember).
If somebody gives me proof that the christian version of God and the
afterlife exists, I'd abandon everything I'm doing now and start living
like a monk. So my question to you is...what's stopping you from doing
that? If your rewards in an infinite paradise are proportional to your
behavior in your short finite lifetime on this rock, then you should be
on your knees praying & glorifying god every waking moment. If you're
absolutely certain that God exists, you're wasting your time typing on
this forum, making maps, and having any pretensions of living a
fulfilling and successful life. You have to pick whether Christianity is
of infinite importance, or zero importance.
Actually, you can pay someone to pray for you or have an automaton pray for you 24/7, just like what happened in the Dark Ages, Middle Ages. You can also bribe yourself into heaven. It's true because the church said so....hundreds of years ago...and since the church is divinely inspired by god....what ever the church said is true.
Religious fervency might have been the reason why the Dark Ages lasted so long since religious monks tore apart Archimedes' and other's scientific and mathematical books and used the paper to write religions nonsense. If the monks had studied and disseminated Archimedes' book, the Renaissance might have occurred far earlier, and so, we really might have colonized the moon and mars already.
What an ignorant statement, from the writer... What I read was this... Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real, and IF he was... noticed they are still humoring the idea meaning in their heart no matter how small they still believe so they contradict themselves, That if god was real, it would be "too much work" to go to heaven.. so what I am seeing is... Atheist are too lazy to be decent humans... Just from what that article said.
Referring to the article you posted however long ago... the forums are buggy today haha
I just don't feel I could keep up that level of arrogance.
"Oh, please spare me a moment while I telepathically communicate with the creator of the universe to wish for a new car while millions of people are starving to death."
I think GNA is referring more to the fact that religion will inevitably die out from people coming to their senses because we live in the second millennium, not the stone age. But that's probably wishful thinking.
To be fair, I don't think this will ever happen, and I'm not sure if that's even a bad thing. Eiviyn said earlier in this chat that the 'default' standpoint to assume god doesn't exist, just as it's the default standpoint to assume invisible pink unicorns don't exist. The more I think about that, the more I disagree with it. Sure, Eiviyn probably meant 'god' as in 'the christian god' when he originally typed it, but the fact remains that there HAS to be some kind of unmoved mover. And people will always worship that kind of power. They should, even. Unless of course we don't understand one bit about the concept of time and end up finding out we live in some kind of infinite loop somehow.
Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.
C. S. Lewis
If somebody gives me proof that the christian version of God and the afterlife exists, I'd abandon everything I'm doing now and start living like a monk. So my question to you is...what's stopping you from doing that? If your rewards in an infinite paradise are proportional to your behavior in your short finite lifetime on this rock, then you should be on your knees praying glorifying god every waking moment. If you're absolutely certain that God exists, you're wasting your time typing on this forum, making maps, and having any pretensions of living a fulfilling and successful life. You have to pick whether Christianity is of infinite importance, or zero importance.
Help me place that quote. Wasn't Lewis a catholic? Why would any catholic who isn't a monk say such a thing?
To return to the actual topic of this thread, yes I am religious and would classify myself as a Mormon (LDS: Latter-Day Saint), although I also find this thread somewhat pointless.
And yes. . . one day I will rule over my own planet. . . jealous?
To be fair, I don't think this will ever happen, and I'm not sure if that's even a bad thing. Eiviyn said earlier in this chat that the 'default' standpoint to assume god doesn't exist, just as it's the default standpoint to assume invisible pink unicorns don't exist. The more I think about that, the more I disagree with it. Sure, Eiviyn probably meant 'god' as in 'the christian god' when he originally typed it, but the fact remains that there HAS to be some kind of unmoved mover. And people will always worship that kind of power. They should, even. Unless of course we don't understand one bit about the concept of time and end up finding out we live in some kind of infinite loop somehow.
Even if there is supposed to be a prime mover, the mover having traits such as jealousy, omnibenevolence, and anything else associated with humans would be redundant. Why can't the universe itself be the unmoved mover? It's the simplest, most elegant explanation.
There are alot of theories out there about what caused the big bang. Here's a short video about m-theory for laymen such as ourselves:
From what I understand, dark energy, which makes up something like 75% of the matter/energy content in the universe, is nothing more than higher dimensional objects called branes interacting with our universe. That's why no scientists can identify what dark energy is made of, it doesn't actually exist in our 3d space, but it does have a gravitational effect on our 3d space. The dark energy fuels the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, so it is increasing and it will eventually come to dominate. When dark energy is highest, it means that these branes are more energetic, and this forces them to collide, creating a big bang. Then they settle down, and wait for it to happen again. This process repeats, ad nauseum.
According to this hypothesis, the "braneworld" is the prime mover.
I've talked to you. You're well spoken, you seem intelligent, and very reasonable.
You can't possibly believe that. Surely.
I'd hate to be a mormon. My brother is fucking retarded. Like, Taintedwisp retarded. If he ruled a planet, yeah, no.
Not in this widely misinterpreted fashion, no ;)
Mormons are often isolated from other Christian sects due to our focus on "What happens next?" when it comes to the afterlife. While most assume that we're going to live in heaven forever and ever, we're a tad more practical in that we believe our time on the Earth is but a stepping stone on our path. This path does cover the idea of life on other planets, but this is something the Bible already speaks of.
So in short, no I don't believe I will one day rule my own planet, but I do believe that at some point, there will be those of us that progress forward to repeat God's process with their own "spiritual family." It is an incredibly condensed way of saying it, but it's the simplest way I can explain it without sounding entirely crazy (which is why the misconception was originally formed).
On a certain view, I don't know if this is related or not, but Dawkin's book for children and his quest seems exactly the same. Now, you know I take things independently and then later look for relationships between different things, so you have a good understanding of what this means to me.
When Dawkins say religion is a myth, and that all religions, this is more like the fundamentalist saying "science is wrong, and all science is bullshit". Forgive the words.
I assume Dawkins believe he's on a noble quest to oppose and show the world how crazy it is to force uncertain things to innocent children, and if this is so, I applaud him. But I believe the best way for reason and fact to question and put into perspective religion is through facts as it has always have done so successfully.
Children instead must not be considered as containers and people who "we need" or some object to be indoctrinated, rather real people who will someday have to deal with many things in life. I believe that a quest to educate specifically to allow children critical thinking is the most important skill that they can develop when it comes to these things.
If they can teach my children how to be critical about the ways of critical thinking, and be critical of the critical investigation of the ways of critical thinking, and so on and so forth ( :D ) then I'd sign in.
As an example, there's this guy here that claims to be Jesus. Yes folks, he's here at last. And to watch people just come in droves to accept this is totally unbelievable. I mean, you want to rofl, but you just can't. You feel some kind of pitty and some revulsion.
It's unbelievable that I've begin to question, maybe it's not religion that's wrong, its the people's lack of capacity to think that makes them so easily prayed upon not only by narcissistic cult leaders, but television, magazine, and all other bullshit that puts people into a box and defines them like they're nothing but stupid monkeys that are to be used and utilized by people who at least think they are smarter, powerful, knowledgeable or whatever.
It's crazy this world looks with respect to this issue.
TaintedWisp,
Maybe what they say about the FEMA camps is true.
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I've experienced personally how religion nor any moral value is completely ignored by people. Their law is themselves. What do I mean by this?
If there was no one that knew me, no one who would look for them and put them in prison, they would have killed me by now.
These individuals do not believe or at least don't care if they go to hell. They find the law or government to just be someone who they can run from or at least try.
And I saw only one problem:
They have no idea or understanding or that morality and respect for another person and that person's life and efforts and etc. is completely alien to them. They want something and will do what they can to get what they want.
They are law to themselves.
Now, it's not religion that is the problem. Certainly it's not the government. Certainly it's not their situation in life. It's themselves that is "problematic". If they were intellectual people, they can make up things and use words and books to justify their so-called "right" to just walk over someone.
What amazes me is the fact nothing stands in their minds to even question, "why am I thinking this, isn't this man's life valuable?" They just follow their urge.
This experience tells me a certain kind of danger, a possible danger that needs to be addressed.
Again, it's not because of lack or having religion or society or education, it's not because of the lack of science or having science, it's simply because there's no reason for them to think of me as something valuable and should be treated fairly.
My only solution to this is one thing: Domination.
It's a battle. There's no other choice. I can't reason with them. I can't teach them. If I say, "why do you want to kill me? Am I not one of you? Have I not laughed and eaten with you? Have I not shared what I can with you?" they just don't respond or understand that.
So, I will have to destroy them, or find a way to threaten them with my own ability to get to them first before they can get to me.
I hope there's another way to indoctrinate this people so that my children can live without this possible evil. It's just pure evil.
EXACTLY! FINALLY SOMEONE MADE A POINT!
PRAISE YOU!Whenever someone says something like this I think of that South Park episode where there's a bunch of guys entering hell and one says "I shouldn't be here, I was a devout Christian all my life!". The hell spokesman replies that that didn't matter and when someone asks "well, who gets into heaven then?" the spokesman checks his pad and says "I'm sorry guys, it was the Mormons... The Mormons got it right folks!". I wish that bit was on Youtube.
From those links,
FAITH (2) Belief that is not based on proof (4) Belief in anything ...
BELIEF (3) ...; Faith; ...
just sayin
Okay so you dont pray to god on the CHANCE that hes not real because it would waste your time... haha being illogical much sooo waste 10 seconds here and there, or risk even if itsonly a 50% chance, Going to hell for eternity... hahaah Im sorry but I cant help but laugh at atheist... agnosticism I can understand and pray for... but atheism thats just dumb... and kinda arrogent, thinking that you are the best thing their is, that humans are the greatest. ahahahaahah
Dude...
No. Just....
Christ somebody shoot me.
Just you promise me guys, that when the time comes religion is abolished you won't judge people because of what they believe but in what they've done.
I hope you continue to detest violence, injustice, and uphold civil rights, and let me have a chance in the pursuit of happiness. I hope there won't be a law that will be passed saying, "Any man who claims to hold any form of religion or belief in a supernatural deity or deities, is an enemy to our freedoms," or anything of the sort.
I know how extremist can be very destructive and inhuman, I hope whatever non-believers stand on today don't go into extremes as well.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
If Religion is Abolished... There will be mass bloodshed... we will not be persecuted, USA was founded on that principal. We would revolt and even if its my Grandkids Grandkids, I hope they will revolt too.
@Eiviyn: Go
What an ignorant statement, from the writer... What I read was this... Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real, and IF he was... noticed they are still humoring the idea meaning in their heart no matter how small they still believe so they contradict themselves, That if god was real, it would be "too much work" to go to heaven.. so what I am seeing is... Atheist are too lazy to be decent humans... Just from what that article said.
Referring to the article you posted however long ago... the forums are buggy today haha
@Creation25: Go
Right about what, exactly? You can't argue against a point you clearly don't understand without sounding insane.
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
Exactly how many crimes have been committed in the name of (blank space)?
@Taintedwisp: Go
Your "Atheist have convinced themselves god isnt real" point has already been refuted in this topic. No one has responded to it yet. Post #240, see for yourself.
Not sure if serious, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities
It's not a 50% chance, it's more like 0.1%. Personally, I'm throwing my lot in with Thor. Good luck! :-D
Provided that people don't try to influence public policy or make poor decisions for their children because of their religion, I really could care less what people believe "personally". I still think the indoctrination of children is evil, but I guess it's not my place to challenge that yet. =/
I think GNA is referring more to the fact that religion will inevitably die out from people coming to their senses because we live in the second millennium, not the stone age. But that's probably wishful thinking.
Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.
C. S. Lewis
If somebody gives me proof that the christian version of God and the afterlife exists, I'd abandon everything I'm doing now and start living like a monk. So my question to you is...what's stopping you from doing that? If your rewards in an infinite paradise are proportional to your behavior in your short finite lifetime on this rock, then you should be on your knees praying & glorifying god every waking moment. If you're absolutely certain that God exists, you're wasting your time typing on this forum, making maps, and having any pretensions of living a fulfilling and successful life. You have to pick whether Christianity is of infinite importance, or zero importance.
@Taintedwisp: Go
If religion is abolished it's because all individuals decide individually not to belong to any religious organization and to not blindly follow religious doctrine/dogma as undeniable, ultimate truths. Since more and more people are getting better education (albeit slowly), more and more people reject religious doctrine/dogma. Just like how people learned about neuroscience and now understand that "demonic possession" is a misnomer for mental illness (i.e. schizophrenia); or how people now know that diseases are caused by bacteria instead of ghosts, curses, demons (i.e. Bubonic Plague); or how people now know that stars are not gods, angels, and etc.
If god was real, there would be evidence. Religious people tend to be too complacent and naive (possibly the result of mental illness, low IQ, some type of brain deficiency, traumatic experience, etc) to believe that the words of neolithic cultures are pure evidence of god's existence. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the same probability of existing and not existing as god because the only "evidence" to support both are people's words. You can replace all the references to deities with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and you could not disprove the new versions as untrue.
You can't say that religious people are "more decent" than atheists (shown by current events and historical records of religiously motivated violence, crime, etc.; the Crusades, witchhunts, pedophile priests, examples that have already been said in previous posts, but you were too lazy to read them or you lacked the ability to remember them) and you can't say that atheists are "more decent" than religious people (Soviet Union, "communist" China) because decency, morality, ethics are independent of religion (again the point has already been made in previous posts, but you were too lazy to go read them or you lacked the ability to remember).
Actually, you can pay someone to pray for you or have an automaton pray for you 24/7, just like what happened in the Dark Ages, Middle Ages. You can also bribe yourself into heaven. It's true because the church said so....hundreds of years ago...and since the church is divinely inspired by god....what ever the church said is true.
Religious fervency might have been the reason why the Dark Ages lasted so long since religious monks tore apart Archimedes' and other's scientific and mathematical books and used the paper to write religions nonsense. If the monks had studied and disseminated Archimedes' book, the Renaissance might have occurred far earlier, and so, we really might have colonized the moon and mars already.
I just don't feel I could keep up that level of arrogance.
"Oh, please spare me a moment while I telepathically communicate with the creator of the universe to wish for a new car while millions of people are starving to death."
It actually does sound like hard work.
To be fair, I don't think this will ever happen, and I'm not sure if that's even a bad thing. Eiviyn said earlier in this chat that the 'default' standpoint to assume god doesn't exist, just as it's the default standpoint to assume invisible pink unicorns don't exist. The more I think about that, the more I disagree with it. Sure, Eiviyn probably meant 'god' as in 'the christian god' when he originally typed it, but the fact remains that there HAS to be some kind of unmoved mover. And people will always worship that kind of power. They should, even. Unless of course we don't understand one bit about the concept of time and end up finding out we live in some kind of infinite loop somehow.
Help me place that quote. Wasn't Lewis a catholic? Why would any catholic who isn't a monk say such a thing?
To return to the actual topic of this thread, yes I am religious and would classify myself as a Mormon (LDS: Latter-Day Saint), although I also find this thread somewhat pointless.
And yes. . . one day I will rule over my own planet. . . jealous?
I've talked to you. You're well spoken, you seem intelligent, and very reasonable.
You can't possibly believe that. Surely.
I'd hate to be a mormon. My brother is fucking retarded. Like, Taintedwisp retarded. If he ruled a planet, yeah, no.
Even if there is supposed to be a prime mover, the mover having traits such as jealousy, omnibenevolence, and anything else associated with humans would be redundant. Why can't the universe itself be the unmoved mover? It's the simplest, most elegant explanation.
There are alot of theories out there about what caused the big bang. Here's a short video about m-theory for laymen such as ourselves:
From what I understand, dark energy, which makes up something like 75% of the matter/energy content in the universe, is nothing more than higher dimensional objects called branes interacting with our universe. That's why no scientists can identify what dark energy is made of, it doesn't actually exist in our 3d space, but it does have a gravitational effect on our 3d space. The dark energy fuels the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, so it is increasing and it will eventually come to dominate. When dark energy is highest, it means that these branes are more energetic, and this forces them to collide, creating a big bang. Then they settle down, and wait for it to happen again. This process repeats, ad nauseum.
According to this hypothesis, the "braneworld" is the prime mover.
He converted to Christianity later in life.
Oh and since this thread is now nothing but vitriolic attacks, time to bust out my favourite part of religion; comical images.
Not in this widely misinterpreted fashion, no ;)
Mormons are often isolated from other Christian sects due to our focus on "What happens next?" when it comes to the afterlife. While most assume that we're going to live in heaven forever and ever, we're a tad more practical in that we believe our time on the Earth is but a stepping stone on our path. This path does cover the idea of life on other planets, but this is something the Bible already speaks of.
So in short, no I don't believe I will one day rule my own planet, but I do believe that at some point, there will be those of us that progress forward to repeat God's process with their own "spiritual family." It is an incredibly condensed way of saying it, but it's the simplest way I can explain it without sounding entirely crazy (which is why the misconception was originally formed).
Grad,
On a certain view, I don't know if this is related or not, but Dawkin's book for children and his quest seems exactly the same. Now, you know I take things independently and then later look for relationships between different things, so you have a good understanding of what this means to me.
When Dawkins say religion is a myth, and that all religions, this is more like the fundamentalist saying "science is wrong, and all science is bullshit". Forgive the words.
I assume Dawkins believe he's on a noble quest to oppose and show the world how crazy it is to force uncertain things to innocent children, and if this is so, I applaud him. But I believe the best way for reason and fact to question and put into perspective religion is through facts as it has always have done so successfully.
Children instead must not be considered as containers and people who "we need" or some object to be indoctrinated, rather real people who will someday have to deal with many things in life. I believe that a quest to educate specifically to allow children critical thinking is the most important skill that they can develop when it comes to these things.
If they can teach my children how to be critical about the ways of critical thinking, and be critical of the critical investigation of the ways of critical thinking, and so on and so forth ( :D ) then I'd sign in.
As an example, there's this guy here that claims to be Jesus. Yes folks, he's here at last. And to watch people just come in droves to accept this is totally unbelievable. I mean, you want to rofl, but you just can't. You feel some kind of pitty and some revulsion.
It's unbelievable that I've begin to question, maybe it's not religion that's wrong, its the people's lack of capacity to think that makes them so easily prayed upon not only by narcissistic cult leaders, but television, magazine, and all other bullshit that puts people into a box and defines them like they're nothing but stupid monkeys that are to be used and utilized by people who at least think they are smarter, powerful, knowledgeable or whatever.
It's crazy this world looks with respect to this issue.
TaintedWisp,
Maybe what they say about the FEMA camps is true.
More:
I've experienced personally how religion nor any moral value is completely ignored by people. Their law is themselves. What do I mean by this?
If there was no one that knew me, no one who would look for them and put them in prison, they would have killed me by now.
These individuals do not believe or at least don't care if they go to hell. They find the law or government to just be someone who they can run from or at least try.
And I saw only one problem:
They have no idea or understanding or that morality and respect for another person and that person's life and efforts and etc. is completely alien to them. They want something and will do what they can to get what they want.
They are law to themselves.
Now, it's not religion that is the problem. Certainly it's not the government. Certainly it's not their situation in life. It's themselves that is "problematic". If they were intellectual people, they can make up things and use words and books to justify their so-called "right" to just walk over someone.
What amazes me is the fact nothing stands in their minds to even question, "why am I thinking this, isn't this man's life valuable?" They just follow their urge.
This experience tells me a certain kind of danger, a possible danger that needs to be addressed.
Again, it's not because of lack or having religion or society or education, it's not because of the lack of science or having science, it's simply because there's no reason for them to think of me as something valuable and should be treated fairly.
My only solution to this is one thing: Domination.
It's a battle. There's no other choice. I can't reason with them. I can't teach them. If I say, "why do you want to kill me? Am I not one of you? Have I not laughed and eaten with you? Have I not shared what I can with you?" they just don't respond or understand that.
So, I will have to destroy them, or find a way to threaten them with my own ability to get to them first before they can get to me.
I hope there's another way to indoctrinate this people so that my children can live without this possible evil. It's just pure evil.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
@Eiviyn: Go
MY VIRGIN EYES!!!