Article you linked is guilty of Number 6; "Sources told Fox News..." and "A former high-ranking FBI agent told Fox News...", among others, Number 5; "The Pentagon has offered no explanation of how a man, now on the CIA kills or capture list, ended up at a special lunch for Muslim outreach.", Number 4; Title is "Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11", but they only later point out that at the time of the Pentagon invitation, nobody yet knew that this person was alledgedly an Al Qauda leader, Number 3; They linked a picture of the guy in Yemen in full religious wear, while here he looks like your friendly neighbourhood imam,
and it walks the line on number 1 with things like the title and things like "A former high-ranking FBI agent told Fox News that at the time Awlaki went to lunch at the Pentagon, there was tremendous "arrogance" about the vetting process at the Pentagon." insinuating that the Pentagon was careless and arrogant in regards to the FBI and CIA, something Fox News cannot possibly now.
I know it's just a hipster humor site but that article isn't exactly stellar. Like, Number 6 which prefaces with "When someone uses language that implies a definite fact without stating it outright..." and Number 5, "Implying Without Saying" are completely redundant.
It's common practice for insiders to speak on condition of anonymity, especially on such a volatile topic as this. That's pretty much how informants operate anyway: If you blow their cover they stop being your informant...
They didn't say that nobody knew he had alleged connections to al Qaeda, they said the FBI shared nothing with the Pentagon. It's another common practice on the inside to compartmentalize everything utterly.
I guess I can't argue your personal opinion that the alternate pic isn't also a fiercely stereotypical "beard and turban terrorist." Though I don't rule out the possibility that this guy is just a harmless patsy for God-knows-what...
Lastly, I just don't understand your last point. The FBI agent is the one who said the Pentagon was "arrogant," how is that something Fox News cannot possibly know?
It's common practice for insiders to speak on condition of anonymity, especially on such a volatile topic as this. That's pretty much how informants operate anyway: If you blow their cover they stop being your informant...
Of course, but in most cases, you also have no guarantee that the information provided actually makes sense. This 'high guy' at the pentagon may be the chief of an entirely different wing who is A) projecting his own opinion on the matter and B) knows jack all about what actually happened.
Lastly, I just don't understand your last point. The FBI agent is the one who said the Pentagon was "arrogant," how is that something Fox News cannot possibly know?
Not that. It's the point that with what Fox news is stating in the article they are insinuating sloppyness or carelessness (strengthened by the quote of the person in question) while they know nothing about the actual motives of all involved parties.
And yeah - Cracked is mainly a humor site, but I do find it to be a site that's right a lot. If you can grab a random article from a newspaper and point out 3 or 4 of those 6 points, I immediately lose trust. The 'system' has worked flawlessly for me so far for newspapers in my own country.
Yeah, information is a bitch. I myself have yet to personally verify the existence of Antarctica. The best anyone can do is look for patterns and correlations across many sources and work from there...
STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA:
COUNTY OF PICKINS :
I, Dr. Judy Wood, am of full age, legal capacity and am the appellant in the above
captioned appeal.
1. I have direct and independent knowledge that what I refer to as Directed
Energy Weapons (DEW)1 were used at the WTC complex on September 11, 2001.
[The specific name for this new technology is not publicly known but falls under
the general category of DEW. By DEW, I am referring to Energy that is Directed
and is used as a Weapon.] That is, the WTC towers did not collapse. They did not
collapse from fire nor did they collapse from "bombs-in-the-buildings"(BiB).
They were turned to dust. The majority of the building mass did not slam to the
ground, as evidenced by the seismic data. Nearly all of each tower was turned to
dust in mid air and floated to the ground or blew away. The majority of what
remained of the towers was paper and dust. A gravity collapse (with or without
BiB) cannot turn a building into powder in mid air.
(you think that what i said before is "too much" ... get a load of this , even i had any freaking idea about DEWs)
2. With a collapse (e.g. resulting from an earthquake), stuff pancakes to the
ground or shears over, but is still nearly as recognizable on the ground as it was
while standing. With explosives (kinetic energy devices), chunks go flying and
stay as chunks until they land. They do not "dissolve" into dust while traveling
through the air. In the case of the WTC on 9/11, almost all chunks that went flying
dissolved into dust before anything solid could slam to the ground. . With a
pancake "collapse" or with an explosion, the building is reduced to chunks, but
most of the chunks are easily recognized, like toilet fixtures. But in the case of the
WTC, not a single toilet fixture or even a recognizable portion of one was found in
what remained. This is pretty amazing considering it's likely there were at least
3,000 toilet fixtures in just the two towers, alone. But there is not even a
recognizable portion of one seen in the remains. The seismic data shows that the
ground shook for less than 8 seconds. [Figure 3, RFC 3/16/07, Appendix 882] But
it would take over 9.22 seconds for a billiard ball dropped from the roof to hit the
ground, neglecting air resistance. In addition, the seismic impact was equivalent to
what would be expected of just the lower 16-20 stories of each tower, not 110
stories weighting 500,000 tons each.
° The seismic signal does not support a building "collapse".
° The ground did not shake long enough for all of the building material to
drop to the ground, no matter what caused a loss of structural integrity.
° The building is seen turning into dust in mid air, not from floors hitting each
other [Figure 14, RFC 3/16/07, Appendix 888]
° The debris that did land on the ground was almost non existent.
[Figure 4, affidavit 3/21/08, Appendix 818] [Figure 1, affidavit 3/21/08,
Appendix 814] [Figure 2, affidavit 3/21/08, Appendix 818]
° No evidence exists that a collapse took place.
//
Amounts of evidence and research are absolutely huge ; There is no way one can make a 5 min video and give you the evidence ofcourse not:
But this is only ONE Category: Engneering and hard evidence pretaining to the "collapse" and sorroundings
The other categories are:
- PsyOps (spreading false claims, media, fearmongering, ex. "weapons of mass destruction", osama, iraq ..etc)
- Faked evidence to support (false) claims.
- Fake death photos/persons/victims/hijackers
- TV fakery
- "Witnesses" orchestrated
- made-up suicide group
Consider the human coordination required to pull off the explosion, the research into the explosion, and the cover up. It is a whole freaking lot. Do you really think the United States Government can coordinate something that complex? In fact, work in the government for just a summer, (I interned at the New York Fed for 2 years), and then ask yourself if the government could pull this off.
I'll give you a hint: no. Hell, our government's financial regulatory system, and our financial system is the most heavily regulated sector in our economy, could not even pick up on Enron, The 2008 Financial Crisis, or Madolff, despite the size and power of the Federal Reserve, SEC, Comptroller, and ect. So do you think they could really spend several years investigating this massive undertaking: destroying the WTC while at the same time covering it up? Sorry, no. Moreover, despite the fact that our form of government has fallen so far from the Federalist Republic it was conceived to be, the fact that politicians rely on our votes would put them into a major prisoner's dilemma with the American public.
Really, the biggest problem with any conspiracy theory of this magnitude is that it relies on the premise that there can be a central planner with near omniscience, perfect foresight, and unlimited resources. Sorry, but that has never been the case, and certainly if you look at all the failed policies in America, such as the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, the housing initiative (which spawned Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac), and every stimulus package (and for that matter, every instance of counter cyclical monetary policy), you will learn that the government sucks at achieving its plans. Sorry, the incentive structure to coordinate for any policy, from infrastructure improvement to the destruction and cover up of buildings, simply isn't there. Certainly there is crime and conspiracy in government, but at the disconnect individual level. You gather a bunch of backstabbers in the same room, and they will backstab each other before they start to backstab themselves. Ironically, wickedness is wickedness' best check.
Moreover, what the hell would the motivation have been to do any of this at all?
Hey man! Don't harp on Alex Jones! I get all my news from him! Like how the N.W.O is using DMT to contact hyper-dimensional elves and bring them into our world through the Large Hadron Collider!
He's the only one willing to report the real news!
he is dead, tossed in the sea, and swept under the rug. It is all said and done. Now the USA will take any flak about methodology or play the blame game or whatever it is fat-cat politicians do. It's done and over with. Please deal with it at this point.
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Your kinda weird, I think your a Muslim activist. Hmm...
P.S. IT"S OVER 9000!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/
@TheZizz: Go
http://www.cracked.com/article_18458_6-subtle-ways-news-media-disguises-bullshit-as-fact.html
Article you linked is guilty of
Number 6; "Sources told Fox News..." and "A former high-ranking FBI agent told Fox News...", among others,
Number 5; "The Pentagon has offered no explanation of how a man, now on the CIA kills or capture list, ended up at a special lunch for Muslim outreach.",
Number 4; Title is "Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11", but they only later point out that at the time of the Pentagon invitation, nobody yet knew that this person was alledgedly an Al Qauda leader,
Number 3; They linked a picture of the guy in Yemen in full religious wear, while here he looks like your friendly neighbourhood imam,
and it walks the line on number 1 with things like the title and things like "A former high-ranking FBI agent told Fox News that at the time Awlaki went to lunch at the Pentagon, there was tremendous "arrogance" about the vetting process at the Pentagon." insinuating that the Pentagon was careless and arrogant in regards to the FBI and CIA, something Fox News cannot possibly now.
@Mozared: Go
I know it's just a hipster humor site but that article isn't exactly stellar. Like, Number 6 which prefaces with "When someone uses language that implies a definite fact without stating it outright..." and Number 5, "Implying Without Saying" are completely redundant.
It's common practice for insiders to speak on condition of anonymity, especially on such a volatile topic as this. That's pretty much how informants operate anyway: If you blow their cover they stop being your informant...
They didn't say that nobody knew he had alleged connections to al Qaeda, they said the FBI shared nothing with the Pentagon. It's another common practice on the inside to compartmentalize everything utterly.
I guess I can't argue your personal opinion that the alternate pic isn't also a fiercely stereotypical "beard and turban terrorist." Though I don't rule out the possibility that this guy is just a harmless patsy for God-knows-what...
Lastly, I just don't understand your last point. The FBI agent is the one who said the Pentagon was "arrogant," how is that something Fox News cannot possibly know?
Of course, but in most cases, you also have no guarantee that the information provided actually makes sense. This 'high guy' at the pentagon may be the chief of an entirely different wing who is A) projecting his own opinion on the matter and B) knows jack all about what actually happened.
Not that. It's the point that with what Fox news is stating in the article they are insinuating sloppyness or carelessness (strengthened by the quote of the person in question) while they know nothing about the actual motives of all involved parties.
And yeah - Cracked is mainly a humor site, but I do find it to be a site that's right a lot. If you can grab a random article from a newspaper and point out 3 or 4 of those 6 points, I immediately lose trust. The 'system' has worked flawlessly for me so far for newspapers in my own country.
@Mozared: Go
Yeah, information is a bitch. I myself have yet to personally verify the existence of Antarctica. The best anyone can do is look for patterns and correlations across many sources and work from there...
@Stewox: Go
Nice lead. Even so I think that Star Wars weaponry doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.
EDIT: Quoted for posterity since I want this at the top of the page.
they are trying to earn money with it, and so i don't trust a single word
Consider the human coordination required to pull off the explosion, the research into the explosion, and the cover up. It is a whole freaking lot. Do you really think the United States Government can coordinate something that complex? In fact, work in the government for just a summer, (I interned at the New York Fed for 2 years), and then ask yourself if the government could pull this off.
I'll give you a hint: no. Hell, our government's financial regulatory system, and our financial system is the most heavily regulated sector in our economy, could not even pick up on Enron, The 2008 Financial Crisis, or Madolff, despite the size and power of the Federal Reserve, SEC, Comptroller, and ect. So do you think they could really spend several years investigating this massive undertaking: destroying the WTC while at the same time covering it up? Sorry, no. Moreover, despite the fact that our form of government has fallen so far from the Federalist Republic it was conceived to be, the fact that politicians rely on our votes would put them into a major prisoner's dilemma with the American public.
Really, the biggest problem with any conspiracy theory of this magnitude is that it relies on the premise that there can be a central planner with near omniscience, perfect foresight, and unlimited resources. Sorry, but that has never been the case, and certainly if you look at all the failed policies in America, such as the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, the housing initiative (which spawned Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac), and every stimulus package (and for that matter, every instance of counter cyclical monetary policy), you will learn that the government sucks at achieving its plans. Sorry, the incentive structure to coordinate for any policy, from infrastructure improvement to the destruction and cover up of buildings, simply isn't there. Certainly there is crime and conspiracy in government, but at the disconnect individual level. You gather a bunch of backstabbers in the same room, and they will backstab each other before they start to backstab themselves. Ironically, wickedness is wickedness' best check.
Moreover, what the hell would the motivation have been to do any of this at all?
@Yeti434: Go
It's not evidence to the contrary that our government is failing miserably, the entire point is sabotage...
What motivation is there to bankrupt a country then buy it up for pennies on the dollar? Quite a bit actually.
This thread turned into horror. :[
@Mozared: Go
Simple-minded nonsense. This is a serious non-partisan matter, not a sportscast for to pick sides like the drooling masses do.
Stewox a little overkill on the conspiracy theory site hoo-ha?
Oh and you listen to Alex Jones, credibility just died.
Sense this thread is worthless, I think I will post here.
MY EDITOR CRASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This thread needs maor rocks.
USA is dead anyway: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/not-program-salvage-greek-economy-its-program-pillage-bankruptcy?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
@Mephs: Go
Hey man! Don't harp on Alex Jones! I get all my news from him! Like how the N.W.O is using DMT to contact hyper-dimensional elves and bring them into our world through the Large Hadron Collider!
He's the only one willing to report the real news!
Fucking elves....
he is dead, tossed in the sea, and swept under the rug. It is all said and done. Now the USA will take any flak about methodology or play the blame game or whatever it is fat-cat politicians do. It's done and over with. Please deal with it at this point.