Hitler's regime murdered priests, nuns, monks, pretty much anyone that defied the State. The tendency for any dictator is to try and stamp out religion because it is a competitive source of power - especially when that dictator considers himself a deity of sorts. Hitler was no exception. The image you posted is an example of Hitler attempting to twist religion to support his regime. Any band of criminals can make a symbol that says "God With Us" to try and gain support.
Hitler's regime murdered priests, nuns, monks, pretty much anyone that defied the State. The tendency for any dictator is to try and stamp out religion because it is a competitive source of power - especially when that dictator considers himself a deity of sorts. Hitler was no exception. The image you posted is an example of Hitler attempting to twist religion to support his regime.
He mentions Yahweh in Mein Kampf and multiple times during nearly all of his speeches. His soldiers swore allegiance to Yahweh and had "GOTT MIT UNS" on every soldier's belt.
I think it would take quite a leap of faith to believe that Hitler didn't subscribe to Yahweh.
With that said, I'm not interested in point scoring with historical figures.
All I'm saying is that if someone says "I believe in God" and then goes about murdering people, one must wonder what God he professes belief in, whether that belief is true, or whether his idea of God is completely different from normal, sane people.
Biographer John Toland explains Hitler's reason for exterminating the Jews:
"Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, 'I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,' he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God - so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty."[Toland, p. 703]
"If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God has bestowed on our people."
-Minister Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Chrisitans on June 29, 1933 [Helmreich, p. 138]
Most dictator thinks that they are gods or hand of the god since written time (Egypt...). Its kind of logical to believe like that, if you have that amount of power over other people.
All I'm saying is that if someone says "I believe in God" and then goes about murdering people, one must wonder what God he professes belief in, whether that belief is true, or whether his idea of God is completely different from normal, sane people.
Last time I checked, genocide was a sin...
What is your stance on the crusades, jihad and "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?
lol witches, push them off a bridge if they fly their a witch!
The bible never tells us to kill witches. It says we shouldnt have to suffer one that is a alive, it never tells us to handle it, the bible also said Proverbs 2:8
for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones.
So what Im seeing is the bible says if you match up the teachings, Dont kill a witch let the lord handle it.
the bible tells us not to be corrupted by gold, the crusades is what happens when the church becomes infatuated by gold, personally I believe that it shouldnt have a place in the church.
Yes Hitler was Catholic, he was Christian, So?
you really think his reasoning was because the jews had sacrificed Jesus, like god had said it would?, All Christians are Jews.... thats a simple fact, we are all Jewish, we only extend on the old teachings to the new testament, we dont loose that Jewish religion though.
Eviyin i like how you read my entire long ass post and got the three most simple things from it lol.
Biographer John Toland explains Hitler's reason for exterminating the Jews:
"Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, 'I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,' he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God - so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty."[Toland, p. 703]
"If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God has bestowed on our people."
-Minister Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Chrisitans on June 29, 1933 [Helmreich, p. 138]
Most dictator thinks that they are gods or hand of the god since written time (Egypt...). Its kind of logical to believe like that, if you have that amount of power over other people.
Hitler's quote is essentially meaningless. All Catholics are always Catholic whether they believe in the teachings of the Church or not. To be confirmed in the Catholic church is to have a mark placed on your soul which can't be erased. That doesn't mean a person will forever be a faithful Catholic... Hitler was essentially insane for thinking he was the "hand of God." There are many crazies throughout history who lay to this claim, or claim to be God Himself, or the reincarnation of Christ. Doesn't make it true, and it doesn't make them faithful Christians.
Minister Rust was not a church pastor. He was one of Hitler's henchmen. All you accomplish with this quote is the emphasis that Hitler tried to use religion to sway the German people to his cause.
I don't think it's any shocker that Hitler made regular use of lies and half-truths to help him rise to and maintain his power.
Any band of criminals can make a symbol that says "God With Us" to try and gain support.
That made me think about dollar bills and that famous "in God we trust". But that's not exclusive, as Brazilian real has its "Deus seja louvado", even though Brazil is supposed to be neutral in this matter.
No religious messages? That's a good start. Old Brazilian monetary system portrayed important figures like poets and leaders, now we have Brazilian animals, but as I am a zoologist that's fine by me.
Is it bad I had already had that post in my post, and countered it before you wrote it? i think you are out of answers... lol,
And Cant say I dont agree, Did you know that the Group that Bush, and obama belong to the sticks and bones(the not so hidden society) let a journalist in once? they were sacrificing animals asking for power from the sun god....
Sun is a ball of fire, so the fire god to them is the falled angel Satan to us, SOOO this means crooked politicians are what come from witchcraft.
Oh by the way, my only point in this argument was not to convert you, but to make you do some research into Christians, as an atheist your job should have only been to make me research Science. Battles dont win wars :D
Oh by the way, my only point in this argument was not to convert you, but to make you do some research into Christians, as an atheist your job should have only been to make me research Science. Battles dont win wars :D
But anyway, there is no "side" to this debate. Every one of us has approached the discussion from a different point of view - some a little more... umm... unusual than others.
@Eiviyn: Go
Hitler's regime murdered priests, nuns, monks, pretty much anyone that defied the State. The tendency for any dictator is to try and stamp out religion because it is a competitive source of power - especially when that dictator considers himself a deity of sorts. Hitler was no exception. The image you posted is an example of Hitler attempting to twist religion to support his regime. Any band of criminals can make a symbol that says "God With Us" to try and gain support.
He mentions Yahweh in Mein Kampf and multiple times during nearly all of his speeches. His soldiers swore allegiance to Yahweh and had "GOTT MIT UNS" on every soldier's belt.
I think it would take quite a leap of faith to believe that Hitler didn't subscribe to Yahweh.
With that said, I'm not interested in point scoring with historical figures.
@Eiviyn: Go
All I'm saying is that if someone says "I believe in God" and then goes about murdering people, one must wonder what God he professes belief in, whether that belief is true, or whether his idea of God is completely different from normal, sane people.
Last time I checked, genocide was a sin...
@BasharTeg: Go
Biographer John Toland explains Hitler's reason for exterminating the Jews:
"Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, 'I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,' he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God - so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty."[Toland, p. 703]
"If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God has bestowed on our people."
-Minister Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Chrisitans on June 29, 1933 [Helmreich, p. 138]
Most dictator thinks that they are gods or hand of the god since written time (Egypt...). Its kind of logical to believe like that, if you have that amount of power over other people.
What is your stance on the crusades, jihad and "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?
@Eiviyn: Go
lol witches, push them off a bridge if they fly their a witch!
The bible never tells us to kill witches. It says we shouldnt have to suffer one that is a alive, it never tells us to handle it, the bible also said Proverbs 2:8 for he guards the course of the just and protects the way of his faithful ones. So what Im seeing is the bible says if you match up the teachings, Dont kill a witch let the lord handle it.
the bible tells us not to be corrupted by gold, the crusades is what happens when the church becomes infatuated by gold, personally I believe that it shouldnt have a place in the church.
Yes Hitler was Catholic, he was Christian, So?
you really think his reasoning was because the jews had sacrificed Jesus, like god had said it would?, All Christians are Jews.... thats a simple fact, we are all Jewish, we only extend on the old teachings to the new testament, we dont loose that Jewish religion though.
Eviyin i like how you read my entire long ass post and got the three most simple things from it lol.
Exodus 22:18
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Incredible.
Hitler's quote is essentially meaningless. All Catholics are always Catholic whether they believe in the teachings of the Church or not. To be confirmed in the Catholic church is to have a mark placed on your soul which can't be erased. That doesn't mean a person will forever be a faithful Catholic... Hitler was essentially insane for thinking he was the "hand of God." There are many crazies throughout history who lay to this claim, or claim to be God Himself, or the reincarnation of Christ. Doesn't make it true, and it doesn't make them faithful Christians.
Minister Rust was not a church pastor. He was one of Hitler's henchmen. All you accomplish with this quote is the emphasis that Hitler tried to use religion to sway the German people to his cause.
I don't think it's any shocker that Hitler made regular use of lies and half-truths to help him rise to and maintain his power.
That made me think about dollar bills and that famous "in God we trust". But that's not exclusive, as Brazilian real has its "Deus seja louvado", even though Brazil is supposed to be neutral in this matter.
@SoulFilcher: Go
I suppose that's one thing where us Dutchies are doing something right in portraying our figurehead-position queen on our coins.
I dare say England wins that round.
@Mozared: Go @Eiviyn: Go
No religious messages? That's a good start. Old Brazilian monetary system portrayed important figures like poets and leaders, now we have Brazilian animals, but as I am a zoologist that's fine by me.
Is it bad I had already had that post in my post, and countered it before you wrote it? i think you are out of answers... lol,
And Cant say I dont agree, Did you know that the Group that Bush, and obama belong to the sticks and bones(the not so hidden society) let a journalist in once? they were sacrificing animals asking for power from the sun god.... Sun is a ball of fire, so the fire god to them is the falled angel Satan to us, SOOO this means crooked politicians are what come from witchcraft.
Oh by the way, my only point in this argument was not to convert you, but to make you do some research into Christians, as an atheist your job should have only been to make me research Science. Battles dont win wars :D
@Taintedwisp: Go
lolwut
@BasharTeg: Go
Its one of the few conspiracy theorys that COULD be correct... it does have actual facts and events backing it up.
Who is this atheist you're referring to?
I give up. You can have him. But please, at least teach him the damn bible so that he at least understands one side of this debate.
@Eiviyn: Go
Misquoted me on the first block.
But anyway, there is no "side" to this debate. Every one of us has approached the discussion from a different point of view - some a little more... umm... unusual than others.
@BasharTeg: Go
unusual works lol