Granted there are a lot of dumb ass men in the world I highly doubt this was the intended message of the logo. Women just have no trouble crying when it comes to "sexism". Yet, the vast majority still expect men to take care of them and perform "manly" tasks such as yard work and heavy lifting. In the eyes of a woman a man without a job is a worthless bum. While it's perfectly acceptable for them to not have a job. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
We as a society need to accept the fact that men and women ARE NOT EQUAL. We both have different needs and positions to fill. Men do not know what women want because women do not know what women want. It is important that every major position provides both sides so we can fulfill the needs of everyone.
lol, yeah i saw that logo and I was like... wtf, even in the 1940s women still wore ties in buisness..., So even in they days were women were truely considered lesser humans, they still wore ties :P so what does a tie have to do with being Sexist.
EDIT: I didn't notice the date stamp on this before replying. It seemed relatively recent from its position in the post list, but I should've checked anyway. Not sure what the gravedigging threshold is here but sorry if I crossed it. Doesn't really matter anyway, just a burst of irritable pedantic BS.
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Wow, I would've expected more perception and critical thought from a community which I know to be generally intelligent and creative. Kind of sad, but then, this sort of semi-unconscious blindness is why sexism and racism and so forth still exist...
One quote in particular in this thread I have to respond to directly, though.
"We as a society need to accept the fact that men and women ARE NOT EQUAL. We both have different needs and positions to fill."
This is a BIG pet peeve of mine. Equality != sameness. It means that things which are DIFFERENT may still be of equivalent or identical WORTH and VALUE. Having different needs and positions to fill has nothing whatsoever to do with the fundamental equality of all human beings. If you don't believe all human beings are equal, then tell me, what exactly makes one person more worthy, valuable, or deserving than another? Certainly there are plenty of philosophical constructs possible down that line of thought, don't get me wrong, but I at least am uncomfortable with the idea of some people being More Equal Than Others. But then, I've read Animal Farm.
(And by the way, to the person who said all women are hypocrites, speak for yourself -- the women where I live do the yardwork and change tires and so forth themselves. And have jobs. And raise kids. All at once. While the men expect them to have a job AND do all the traditional female duties at the same time. So let's talk about hypocrisy, shall we? Then again in my part of the world, most people don't exactly have the LUXURY of choosing whether or not to work. If you want to eat, you work. Period. Try to remember that your tiny slice of the world is not in fact the whole world.)
Feminism has nothing to do with 'proving' that women are 'the same as' men. It's about asserting that female human beings are, in fact, human beings, and as such deserve to have the same rights and opportunities as other human beings. It's really an extremely simple concept to grasp. Why people have trouble with this I will never understand, but both women and men routinely manage to make the subject a lot more complex than it really is. (And I include feminists in that, BTW. Some of them are just as guilty of it at times.)
Of course, there's also the fact that modern science has shown pretty definitively that 'masculinity' and 'femininity' are culturally defined concepts, which means they are essentially illusions. The only genuine differences between males and females are in the gross anatomy. Everything else is cultural indoctrination, end of story. Any two individual human beings, chosen at random, are more different as individuals than they are as members of whatever arbitrary groups you might want to place them in. To say that a different way, a given man and a given woman, chosen at random, will always be more different as individual people, considered independent of sex, than they are as man and woman considered independent of personal, non-gender-related traits.
And by the way, yes, the logo is sexist. Not in a really massive or terrible way, but it is, because that is a -men's- tie. Even back when there was a sort of female tie, it was very different from the male business tie. The logo implies, symbolically, that all businesspeople are male. That is what makes it sexist. But that doesn't mean the logo is a huge deal or something. It just makes it a fucking stupid logo. There are incidences of sexism which actually, you know, matter, and have a real impact on something. This is just a tiny fragment of cultural BS. Especially given that this is Florida. We're not exactly discussing a bastion of enlightened thought, here...
"Idiot Feminazi" is not a valid reason to close a discussion topic YOU started, Taintedwisp. Sounds absurdly like if you're name calling someone.
He did raise some fair points but I guess you do not wish the discussion to further continue so I'll keep the topic locked.
I'll change the reason to a more suitable one, though.
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nope... just some stupid bitch complaining. < 50 Million and you were the fastest I am ashamed.-_-
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/02/05/Is-Floridas-new-logo-sexist/4121360081044/
@Taintedwisp: Go
Granted there are a lot of dumb ass men in the world I highly doubt this was the intended message of the logo. Women just have no trouble crying when it comes to "sexism". Yet, the vast majority still expect men to take care of them and perform "manly" tasks such as yard work and heavy lifting. In the eyes of a woman a man without a job is a worthless bum. While it's perfectly acceptable for them to not have a job. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
We as a society need to accept the fact that men and women ARE NOT EQUAL. We both have different needs and positions to fill. Men do not know what women want because women do not know what women want. It is important that every major position provides both sides so we can fulfill the needs of everyone.
I think it's sexiest to believe woman can't wear ties too!
@Mozared: Go
lol, yeah i saw that logo and I was like... wtf, even in the 1940s women still wore ties in buisness..., So even in they days were women were truely considered lesser humans, they still wore ties :P so what does a tie have to do with being Sexist.
EDIT: I didn't notice the date stamp on this before replying. It seemed relatively recent from its position in the post list, but I should've checked anyway. Not sure what the gravedigging threshold is here but sorry if I crossed it. Doesn't really matter anyway, just a burst of irritable pedantic BS.
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Wow, I would've expected more perception and critical thought from a community which I know to be generally intelligent and creative. Kind of sad, but then, this sort of semi-unconscious blindness is why sexism and racism and so forth still exist...
One quote in particular in this thread I have to respond to directly, though.
"We as a society need to accept the fact that men and women ARE NOT EQUAL. We both have different needs and positions to fill."
This is a BIG pet peeve of mine. Equality != sameness. It means that things which are DIFFERENT may still be of equivalent or identical WORTH and VALUE. Having different needs and positions to fill has nothing whatsoever to do with the fundamental equality of all human beings. If you don't believe all human beings are equal, then tell me, what exactly makes one person more worthy, valuable, or deserving than another? Certainly there are plenty of philosophical constructs possible down that line of thought, don't get me wrong, but I at least am uncomfortable with the idea of some people being More Equal Than Others. But then, I've read Animal Farm.
(And by the way, to the person who said all women are hypocrites, speak for yourself -- the women where I live do the yardwork and change tires and so forth themselves. And have jobs. And raise kids. All at once. While the men expect them to have a job AND do all the traditional female duties at the same time. So let's talk about hypocrisy, shall we? Then again in my part of the world, most people don't exactly have the LUXURY of choosing whether or not to work. If you want to eat, you work. Period. Try to remember that your tiny slice of the world is not in fact the whole world.)
Feminism has nothing to do with 'proving' that women are 'the same as' men. It's about asserting that female human beings are, in fact, human beings, and as such deserve to have the same rights and opportunities as other human beings. It's really an extremely simple concept to grasp. Why people have trouble with this I will never understand, but both women and men routinely manage to make the subject a lot more complex than it really is. (And I include feminists in that, BTW. Some of them are just as guilty of it at times.)
Of course, there's also the fact that modern science has shown pretty definitively that 'masculinity' and 'femininity' are culturally defined concepts, which means they are essentially illusions. The only genuine differences between males and females are in the gross anatomy. Everything else is cultural indoctrination, end of story. Any two individual human beings, chosen at random, are more different as individuals than they are as members of whatever arbitrary groups you might want to place them in. To say that a different way, a given man and a given woman, chosen at random, will always be more different as individual people, considered independent of sex, than they are as man and woman considered independent of personal, non-gender-related traits.
And by the way, yes, the logo is sexist. Not in a really massive or terrible way, but it is, because that is a -men's- tie. Even back when there was a sort of female tie, it was very different from the male business tie. The logo implies, symbolically, that all businesspeople are male. That is what makes it sexist. But that doesn't mean the logo is a huge deal or something. It just makes it a fucking stupid logo. There are incidences of sexism which actually, you know, matter, and have a real impact on something. This is just a tiny fragment of cultural BS. Especially given that this is Florida. We're not exactly discussing a bastion of enlightened thought, here...
My .02. Take it or leave it as you will.
"Idiot Feminazi" is not a valid reason to close a discussion topic YOU started, Taintedwisp. Sounds absurdly like if you're name calling someone. He did raise some fair points but I guess you do not wish the discussion to further continue so I'll keep the topic locked.
I'll change the reason to a more suitable one, though.