Have you ever heard of the Korean game Lineage?
They're making their own hack & slash à la Diablo 3, here's a video to show you almost 15 minutes of actual gameplay, with explanations from NCSoft in Korean:
Now, the point of this topic: Would you rather buy Diablo 3 or Lineage Eternal, and why?
I personally would love to see both and compare them, because I'm pretty sure Lineage can kick Diablo's ass. There are lots of features in Lineage yet unseen in Diablo 3, and I like them... Diablo 3 has its own very dark universe but Lineage is pretty cool too, my only worry for now is that the gameplay in Lineage might be really bad, as in lots of video games coming from Asia (weird control schemes, bad camera placements, and game being too repetitive mostly). I'm seriously considering NOT buying Diablo 3 after seeing this video. I guess I will decide which one to buy depending on their price and probably the online and modding features available.
I probably would choose Diablo 3 because I'm not very open minded to trying out new games. I've had my fare share of korean MMO games, which I feel consists mostly of grinding, which bores me to death.
Interesting. The mouse thingy reminds me of okami, it was great drawing circles with wii, but it might just get anoying in PC...but dunno, would have to try both before deciding what would be better.
Probly gona get d3 anyway...just cause its diablo :(
Looks like there's a lot of Diablo clones in development, such as Path of Exile and Torchlight 2.
I'm particularly interested in Torchlight 2 because it's made by former members of Blizzard North. But they're a small team so it probably won't be as polished as Diablo 3, but perhaps more creative. I'll probably get both.
Gonna get Diablo 3, because I can actually understand it.
Lineage is also available in other languages, I wouldn't worry about that. The videos shown at G*Star are in Korean because it's their main target. I also advise all of you to check for more videos of G*Star 2011 on Youtube, some games previews look pretty cool.
Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of Diablo myself, even though I played and finished both... I expect Diablo 3 to be quite good, but not as awesome as they claimed it to be. I'm glad there are other games of the genre out there and wanted to let you know. So basically, I don't share the "I will buy Diablo because it's Diablo" with you guys, but I understand why you like it.
I have to agree with FuzzYD about grinding in Asian games, this is probably the main reason why I'm still skeptical about Lineage Eternal. I might give it a chance nonetheless, because spending $80 in Blizzard games in the next months to come (D3 + HotS) would be kind of an overdose to me. I know Asian games often suffer from bad or repetitive gameplay (making the game either boring or unplayable, sometimes both), I just give them the benefit of the doubt until I can get my hands on a demo.
I recently enjoyed Saints Row much much more than GTA, so I hope the same principle applies in this case with the hack & slash games to come... Titan Quest was not bad at all, as far as I can remember I liked it more than Diablo 2 even though they are completely different. I don't think you can call them "clones" as long as they each have their own identity, so I assume Torchlight 2, Path of Exile, Lineage Eternal, and Diablo 3 will all be excellent games in their own way.
Sad to say, I found this one to be a real letdown, although I've never played it. According to my friend, it just didn't have the replayability diablo or diablo 2 had. Not sure why, no random maps maybe?
You realize they play more Starcraft in Korea than in North-America, right? Plus, the Korean market might well be doing a lot better than the American or European one at the moment. Don't be ignorant.
Yes, it's sad but Titan Quest doesn't have randomized maps. Enemy placements are not randomized either, only loots are. But I still liked it better than Diablo 2 for some reason. I enjoyed Diablo 1 a lot, but when it came to Diablo 2 I finished it once and never wanted to finish the story mode again using another class. Diablo 2 had very interesting features (don't get me wrong, I love this game) but was too close to Diablo 1 in my opinion, even though the game system was different (outside areas, boss fights, etc...). I should play it again, years later, but I remember at the time it was "yet another hack and slash" amongst lots of other games, so it didn't leave such a good impression to me...When Titan Quest came out there was almost no more hack and slash games available, so I guess it contributed to the fact that I liked it.
If there is one thing I blame Blizzard for, it's about the fact that they "recycle" their games to make new ones... SC2 is pretty much similar to SC1, aside from a few new units that obviously changed the whole game balance. D1 and D2 share some similar points, only modifying a few gameplay elements to make it "bigger stronger better". I like to see games like Lineage Eternal once in a while because to me, poor European gamer who doesn't play that much Korean games, it's something new... I like to see something else than these big games promoted everywhere, which will eventually bore me to death and cost a lot. I've never played any game from the Lineage license, mainly because it's a MMO game and I hate these (let's be honest, I hate WoW since the 1st day it came out... and YES, I'm not ashamed of it). But this Diablo-like game still interests me somehow, I came to a point where I'm fed up with very popular games, I actually don't play SC2 that much anymore because players are sometimes completely dumb and map makers are treated like shit by the whole community.
Yes, it's sad but Titan Quest doesn't have randomized maps. Enemy placements are not randomized either, only loots are. But I still liked it better than Diablo 2 for some reason. I enjoyed Diablo 1 a lot, but when it came to Diablo 2 I finished it once and never wanted to finish the story mode again using another class. Diablo 2 had very interesting features (don't get me wrong, I love this game) but was too close to Diablo 1 in my opinion, even though the game system was different (outside areas, boss fights, etc...). I should play it again, years later, but I remember at the time it was "yet another hack and slash" amongst lots of other games, so it didn't leave such a good impression to me...When Titan Quest came out there was almost no more hack and slash games available, so I guess it contributed to the fact that I liked it.
If there is one thing I blame Blizzard for, it's about the fact that they "recycle" their games to make new ones... SC2 is pretty much similar to SC1, aside from a few new units that obviously changed the whole game balance. D1 and D2 share some similar points, only modifying a few gameplay elements to make it "bigger stronger better". I like to see games like Lineage Eternal once in a while because to me, poor European gamer who doesn't play that much Korean games, it's something new... I like to see something else than these big games promoted everywhere, which will eventually bore me to death and cost a lot. I've never played any game from the Lineage license, mainly because it's a MMO game and I hate these (let's be honest, I hate WoW since the 1st day it came out... and YES, I'm not ashamed of it). But this Diablo-like game still interests me somehow, I came to a point where I'm fed up with very popular games, I actually don't play SC2 that much anymore because players are sometimes completely dumb and map makers are treated like shit by the whole community.
What are you talking about? Blizzard doesnt Re-Cycle their games... Different engine, And every unit has been changed, THis game is only 3 years after the first one, You expect every weapon in each factions military to be upgraded LOL, the US military only upgrades there crap about once every 10-20 years, some of the stuff is from the 60s LOL.
Thats a little bit of realism, Actually is not real at all... there should be less changes then what there were
Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 were nothing alike, besides genre...
Warcraft 1-2 Nothing the same, besides Reflection races.
Warcraft 2-3 NOTHING the same, very few returning units, and it focused HEAVILY on heros.
Warcraft 3- WoW, I know These should never be compared.... Not even the same genre, maybe 1-3 units the same, use of Hero names, Play as a grunt or a footman....
Blackthorn... no stealing
Lost viking... no stealing.
LOL, They dont really recycle their games,
But when a game is only supposed to take place 3 years after the other one, There should be LESS changes not more.
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my only worry for now is that the gameplay in Lineage might be really bad, as in lots of video games coming from Asia (weird control schemes, bad camera placements, and game being too repetitive mostly). >>
that is the shitest thing I've ever heard... LOL
sorry.. to meant to hurt.
Btw anyone bothered by the look of the azmodan? I wish he wasnt that fat...it sorta makes him a bit less epic. That being said I wish he isnt like the last boss but more of a middle stage boss.
that is the shitest thing I've ever heard... LOL sorry.. to meant to hurt.
No offense taken... The thing is I downloaded and played Rusty Hearts lately (and other games from Perfect Worlds) and was convinced they were made in Polynesia or something... I must have read that somewhere, but it seems their studio is actually in California. Still, I know a few examples of asian games with shitty gameplay just because the camera controls are retarded and/or you have no way to change the silly keyboard controls either. I doubt it is the case with Lineage, but I know it happens from my experience with a few asian games, as long as we're not talking about highly advertised games like FF, Metal Gear, and such...
About Blizzard recycling their games though, nevermind... Let's consider I never mentioned SC2 is recycling SC1. I knew people would complain if I did, and I don't want to argue on this. We just don't share the same definition of what a recycled game is, it's no big deal. I was about to give countless examples of which games are recycled (Skyrim is one of them, so is Hitman Absolution, Final Fantasy, and so on...), but it serves no point in this thread.
Blizzard has yet to disappoint when it comes to their actual games. Sure, it's hard for us mapmakers, but we're a fragment of the gaming community. For almost anybody else, the game is perfect. That campagin was the best RTS campagin I've ever played, the multiplayer is near perfect in balance...
Blizzard still makes some of the most polished and well-made games for the PC. 'Nuff said.
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No offense taken... The thing is I downloaded and played Rusty Hearts lately (and other games from Perfect Worlds) and was convinced they were made in Polynesia or something... I must have read that somewhere, but it seems their studio is actually in California. Still, I know a few examples of asian games with shitty gameplay just because the camera controls are retarded and/or you have no way to change the silly keyboard controls either. I doubt it is the case with Lineage, but I know it happens from my experience with a few asian games, as long as we're not talking about highly advertised games like FF, Metal Gear, and such...
About Blizzard recycling their games though, nevermind... Let's consider I never mentioned SC2 is recycling SC1. I knew people would complain if I did, and I don't want to argue on this. We just don't share the same definition of what a recycled game is, it's no big deal. I was about to give countless examples of which games are recycled (Skyrim is one of them, so is Hitman Absolution, Final Fantasy, and so on...), but it serves no point in this thread.
Perfect world games suck because they dont put much effort into balance or polish, Forsaken world If Great, until lvl 20 then you grind the rest of the game, Thats because they dont put parts to help you know where to go..
DCU online is amazing, its FTP now, Its the one MMORPG that sets itself away from the others(Atleast on console), its like God of war, Mixed with WoW. Play it its fun and wont dissapoint(BAD PART: Level cap is 30)
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Have you ever heard of the Korean game Lineage?
They're making their own hack & slash à la Diablo 3, here's a video to show you almost 15 minutes of actual gameplay, with explanations from NCSoft in Korean:
Now, the point of this topic: Would you rather buy Diablo 3 or Lineage Eternal, and why?
I personally would love to see both and compare them, because I'm pretty sure Lineage can kick Diablo's ass. There are lots of features in Lineage yet unseen in Diablo 3, and I like them... Diablo 3 has its own very dark universe but Lineage is pretty cool too, my only worry for now is that the gameplay in Lineage might be really bad, as in lots of video games coming from Asia (weird control schemes, bad camera placements, and game being too repetitive mostly). I'm seriously considering NOT buying Diablo 3 after seeing this video. I guess I will decide which one to buy depending on their price and probably the online and modding features available.
You kind of buy Diablo because it's Diablo, though.
I could go on about how this looks kinda cool, but my entire argument would kind of end with "but it's not Diablo".
I probably would choose Diablo 3 because I'm not very open minded to trying out new games. I've had my fare share of korean MMO games, which I feel consists mostly of grinding, which bores me to death.
Interesting. The mouse thingy reminds me of okami, it was great drawing circles with wii, but it might just get anoying in PC...but dunno, would have to try both before deciding what would be better.
Probly gona get d3 anyway...just cause its diablo :(
Gonna get Diablo 3, because I can actually understand it.
Looks like there's a lot of Diablo clones in development, such as Path of Exile and Torchlight 2.
I'm particularly interested in Torchlight 2 because it's made by former members of Blizzard North. But they're a small team so it probably won't be as polished as Diablo 3, but perhaps more creative. I'll probably get both.
Lineage is also available in other languages, I wouldn't worry about that. The videos shown at G*Star are in Korean because it's their main target. I also advise all of you to check for more videos of G*Star 2011 on Youtube, some games previews look pretty cool.
Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of Diablo myself, even though I played and finished both... I expect Diablo 3 to be quite good, but not as awesome as they claimed it to be. I'm glad there are other games of the genre out there and wanted to let you know. So basically, I don't share the "I will buy Diablo because it's Diablo" with you guys, but I understand why you like it.
I have to agree with FuzzYD about grinding in Asian games, this is probably the main reason why I'm still skeptical about Lineage Eternal. I might give it a chance nonetheless, because spending $80 in Blizzard games in the next months to come (D3 + HotS) would be kind of an overdose to me. I know Asian games often suffer from bad or repetitive gameplay (making the game either boring or unplayable, sometimes both), I just give them the benefit of the doubt until I can get my hands on a demo.
I recently enjoyed Saints Row much much more than GTA, so I hope the same principle applies in this case with the hack & slash games to come... Titan Quest was not bad at all, as far as I can remember I liked it more than Diablo 2 even though they are completely different. I don't think you can call them "clones" as long as they each have their own identity, so I assume Torchlight 2, Path of Exile, Lineage Eternal, and Diablo 3 will all be excellent games in their own way.
dude
this game suck
lol?
Titan Quest
Sad to say, I found this one to be a real letdown, although I've never played it. According to my friend, it just didn't have the replayability diablo or diablo 2 had. Not sure why, no random maps maybe?
gettin diablo... its blizzard, they have yet to dissapoint...
And I like my games in english not a 3rd world...
You realize they play more Starcraft in Korea than in North-America, right? Plus, the Korean market might well be doing a lot better than the American or European one at the moment. Don't be ignorant.
Yes, it's sad but Titan Quest doesn't have randomized maps. Enemy placements are not randomized either, only loots are. But I still liked it better than Diablo 2 for some reason. I enjoyed Diablo 1 a lot, but when it came to Diablo 2 I finished it once and never wanted to finish the story mode again using another class. Diablo 2 had very interesting features (don't get me wrong, I love this game) but was too close to Diablo 1 in my opinion, even though the game system was different (outside areas, boss fights, etc...). I should play it again, years later, but I remember at the time it was "yet another hack and slash" amongst lots of other games, so it didn't leave such a good impression to me...When Titan Quest came out there was almost no more hack and slash games available, so I guess it contributed to the fact that I liked it.
If there is one thing I blame Blizzard for, it's about the fact that they "recycle" their games to make new ones... SC2 is pretty much similar to SC1, aside from a few new units that obviously changed the whole game balance. D1 and D2 share some similar points, only modifying a few gameplay elements to make it "bigger stronger better". I like to see games like Lineage Eternal once in a while because to me, poor European gamer who doesn't play that much Korean games, it's something new... I like to see something else than these big games promoted everywhere, which will eventually bore me to death and cost a lot. I've never played any game from the Lineage license, mainly because it's a MMO game and I hate these (let's be honest, I hate WoW since the 1st day it came out... and YES, I'm not ashamed of it). But this Diablo-like game still interests me somehow, I came to a point where I'm fed up with very popular games, I actually don't play SC2 that much anymore because players are sometimes completely dumb and map makers are treated like shit by the whole community.
What are you talking about? Blizzard doesnt Re-Cycle their games... Different engine, And every unit has been changed, THis game is only 3 years after the first one, You expect every weapon in each factions military to be upgraded LOL, the US military only upgrades there crap about once every 10-20 years, some of the stuff is from the 60s LOL.
Thats a little bit of realism, Actually is not real at all... there should be less changes then what there were
Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 were nothing alike, besides genre...
Warcraft 1-2 Nothing the same, besides Reflection races.
Warcraft 2-3 NOTHING the same, very few returning units, and it focused HEAVILY on heros.
Warcraft 3- WoW, I know These should never be compared.... Not even the same genre, maybe 1-3 units the same, use of Hero names, Play as a grunt or a footman....
Blackthorn... no stealing
Lost viking... no stealing.
LOL, They dont really recycle their games,
But when a game is only supposed to take place 3 years after the other one, There should be LESS changes not more.
Diablo
I don't like the UI of the Eternal. AND, I am a LORE guy, which mean I want Diablo Lore.
exactly.
<< my only worry for now is that the gameplay in Lineage might be really bad, as in lots of video games coming from Asia (weird control schemes, bad camera placements, and game being too repetitive mostly). >>
that is the shitest thing I've ever heard... LOL sorry.. to meant to hurt.
Btw anyone bothered by the look of the azmodan? I wish he wasnt that fat...it sorta makes him a bit less epic. That being said I wish he isnt like the last boss but more of a middle stage boss.
No offense taken... The thing is I downloaded and played Rusty Hearts lately (and other games from Perfect Worlds) and was convinced they were made in Polynesia or something... I must have read that somewhere, but it seems their studio is actually in California. Still, I know a few examples of asian games with shitty gameplay just because the camera controls are retarded and/or you have no way to change the silly keyboard controls either. I doubt it is the case with Lineage, but I know it happens from my experience with a few asian games, as long as we're not talking about highly advertised games like FF, Metal Gear, and such...
About Blizzard recycling their games though, nevermind... Let's consider I never mentioned SC2 is recycling SC1. I knew people would complain if I did, and I don't want to argue on this. We just don't share the same definition of what a recycled game is, it's no big deal. I was about to give countless examples of which games are recycled (Skyrim is one of them, so is Hitman Absolution, Final Fantasy, and so on...), but it serves no point in this thread.
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Blizzard has yet to disappoint? Have you been making maps for sc2 or playing ladder?
Also why get either when I have a parody called Sacred 2 Ice and Blood. The game is hilarious and lasts forever.
Lineage Eternal Release: 2014
D3 Release: Early 2012
I think that about settles it.
Although I will say that drag-casting stuff for the spellcaster looks AWESOME.
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Blizzard has yet to disappoint when it comes to their actual games. Sure, it's hard for us mapmakers, but we're a fragment of the gaming community. For almost anybody else, the game is perfect. That campagin was the best RTS campagin I've ever played, the multiplayer is near perfect in balance...
Blizzard still makes some of the most polished and well-made games for the PC. 'Nuff said.
Perfect world games suck because they dont put much effort into balance or polish, Forsaken world If Great, until lvl 20 then you grind the rest of the game, Thats because they dont put parts to help you know where to go..
DCU online is amazing, its FTP now, Its the one MMORPG that sets itself away from the others(Atleast on console), its like God of war, Mixed with WoW. Play it its fun and wont dissapoint(BAD PART: Level cap is 30)