YEAH DAMMIT DOGMAI!!!, least I never claimed to finish any project ever... mine are ALWAYS in beta, forever. Evolution Frenzy is in alpha, and will be able to be in beta just a few months after i get some new teammates.
Neonsz and 01234 are great guys, but they have become bored of working on the project. :D but they are hard working mappers.
YEAH DOGMAI LIKE I SAID, you aint got shit to compete even against Mini Chop Farms.
It is nearly two years since we started the project (End of July 2010 I started, November Dry joined). Nearly all Mechanics were in place by Jan 2011, and the rest of the time was spent polishing off heros (as they were) and the UI. This was the time we started the advertising in April, and we were ready for release (as it was) at that time. So what happened? Patch 1.3 came and completely destroyed our UI and it took a long, long time to fix.
After that the damage was done, it wouldn't matter if we released a month later or a year later, it would still be past the deadline we had set ourselves. So we worked our asses off for months till about September and we got burnt out, so we took about 2 months off and played Minecraft. Then come the new year I moved cities and started renovating a house, on top of that I was out of the country for near three months this year. So you can kinda see how "one year" goes quick.
As for not hearing anything from us in a year, half of you people jumping on the bandwagon played the Closed Beta in March this year (Only 4 Months ago - shortly after this I left) so it has technically been like 4-6 weeks since the closed beta _for me_ - which is no time at all.
FYI, I bought a laptop so I could work while overseas _just for this project_. I spent my holiday doing custom art every night, yeah, I am not dedicated to this project or anything - first laptop I ever had in my life and it set me back 2 grand. Let's see you guys drop 2 grand cash on your project (and keep in mind now, the laptop stays unused in the cupboard cause I have my main comp - so I am not using it anymore).
So basically, with the release of the Arcade, we - like many others - made the decision there is no rush to launch before Patch 1.5 (because you are fighting a flawed system, no matter how good your project is). This will also allow a cleanse of the map system so to speak, as those maps that don't get updated will probably not get played. So at the moment, is Tofu finished? No ... we have maybe 15 item icons left to do, and all the custom voice over work. We can release without the custom voice over work, and will it diminish the play experience? No ... but at the same time, if we polished everything else there is really no point to release using default Blizzard sounds.
I have spent a lot of time in my life helping people with intellectual disabilities (and some troll somewhere is going to say I said the inappropriate comination of words, or that it was my family, it was me, explains a lot etc (inb4 ftw)) ... As such, the way I speak - I relate things, this is second nature for me - sadly the one way I can relate things you guys need or want to find out is to compare it to Tofu - as it is the only thing I have to show to compare systems etc. For the majority of people who are starting out in mapping, if I merely stated say like a paragraph long equation that was the answer to their problems, they are gonna be like ... wtf mate ... if I change the way I speak to a simple combination of words, and can relate it work I have done, people learn very quickly that they too can create a working system.
If you ever had someone say to you, oh it so easy to understand it when _you_ explain it, compared to the people around you, you probably do something similar ...
At the end of the day I honestly don't care what you guys think because technically, you are my competition and not my player base. This is the way every project manager should view this website, as a source for help when you need it by people who whilst are your competition, like to help you anyways to bring the whole level of the map making community up higher. Whilst you might think I am being hard or blunt, I am simply stating the truth.
If you wanted to put money on projects not being released, SCU is a better bet.
This has got to be one of the most self-serving and narcissistic posts I've seen on these forums. You think anyone here gives a damn about anything you just said? No one cares about the reasons for your delay. Hell, no one cares about your map either. The reason you are getting chaff is not because of the delays...it is because you talk a big game and have no walk to back it up. Instead of trying to justify your delays why don't you just shut the hell up?
Mate seriously, you want to start this shit with me ...
You guys were bitching about the project / the way I speak, so I posted the reasons why it was delayed and why it is the way I speak like I do.
As for having nothing to show, you know better than most we can release Tofu today, right now, there is just simply no point to release it when it is so quiet (without custom voice over work etc).
You wanted me to redo Element TD for you (rescript the engine/create a completely custom UI) after I released Tofu, consider the deal off mate.
You guys were bitching about the project / the way I speak, so I posted the reasons why it was delayed and why it is the way I speak like I do.
No one was bitching about that. People have been bitching because you've been boasting about what is seemingly vaporware. There is more than one post where you talk as if you have this ace up your sleeve that is the next best thing since sliced bread.
As for having nothing to show, you know better than most we can release Tofu today, right now, there is just simply no point to release it when it is so quiet (without custom voice over work etc).
Yes, I remember your beta. So? You should release it. I don't see any logic behind your reasoning. You can polish shit all day long and it will still be shit. I am not saying your map is shit...I'm saying it remains to be seen. Spending all this time polishing it without any idea of how it will perform is unwise.
Carry on, I'm so close to closing this topic. It's not a nice conversation anymore, definitely not on topic and everyone's just bashing each other and not actually being productive to the topic... was there a topic anyway?
Well surprisingly enough, it has stayed on topic xcorbo. We simply went from discussing one unfinished project that was requesting donations to Dogmai's unfinished project, lol. By the way Dogmai, I truly do hope that you come out with something that blows the hell out of everything, but for cripes sake release something soon.
Pretty much ... you gotta understand corbo that pretty much everyone in this thread; with the except of the finnish failtroll, are mates. This is nothing, there is no reason to close it.
And I know you guys are eager to see it released, trust me, no one is more pissed off at Dry and I than Dry and I ourselves.
Pretty much ... you gotta understand corbo that pretty much everyone in this thread; with the except of the finnish failtroll, are mates. This is nothing, there is no reason to close it.
And I know you guys are eager to see it released, trust me, no one is more pissed off at Dry and I than Dry and I ourselves.
zenx1 argued with you, so obviously he must be trolling.
Anyways, this thread is seriously out of the rails but at least it brings some activity.
@Deadzergling: Go
Well said. I never liked people who are all talk and no walk.
How can I like this post twice?
I want to like this post twice.
YEAH DAMMIT DOGMAI!!!, least I never claimed to finish any project ever... mine are ALWAYS in beta, forever. Evolution Frenzy is in alpha, and will be able to be in beta just a few months after i get some new teammates.
Neonsz and 01234 are great guys, but they have become bored of working on the project. :D but they are hard working mappers.
YEAH DOGMAI LIKE I SAID, you aint got shit to compete even against Mini Chop Farms.
MINi CHOP FARMS!!!!
There, liked it a second time for you.
Now... How do I like it another 2 times for myself?
@TheAlmaity: Go There, I liked it one time for you ;-)
So, lets talk about delays right?
It is nearly two years since we started the project (End of July 2010 I started, November Dry joined). Nearly all Mechanics were in place by Jan 2011, and the rest of the time was spent polishing off heros (as they were) and the UI. This was the time we started the advertising in April, and we were ready for release (as it was) at that time. So what happened? Patch 1.3 came and completely destroyed our UI and it took a long, long time to fix.
After that the damage was done, it wouldn't matter if we released a month later or a year later, it would still be past the deadline we had set ourselves. So we worked our asses off for months till about September and we got burnt out, so we took about 2 months off and played Minecraft. Then come the new year I moved cities and started renovating a house, on top of that I was out of the country for near three months this year. So you can kinda see how "one year" goes quick.
As for not hearing anything from us in a year, half of you people jumping on the bandwagon played the Closed Beta in March this year (Only 4 Months ago - shortly after this I left) so it has technically been like 4-6 weeks since the closed beta _for me_ - which is no time at all.
FYI, I bought a laptop so I could work while overseas _just for this project_. I spent my holiday doing custom art every night, yeah, I am not dedicated to this project or anything - first laptop I ever had in my life and it set me back 2 grand. Let's see you guys drop 2 grand cash on your project (and keep in mind now, the laptop stays unused in the cupboard cause I have my main comp - so I am not using it anymore).
So basically, with the release of the Arcade, we - like many others - made the decision there is no rush to launch before Patch 1.5 (because you are fighting a flawed system, no matter how good your project is). This will also allow a cleanse of the map system so to speak, as those maps that don't get updated will probably not get played. So at the moment, is Tofu finished? No ... we have maybe 15 item icons left to do, and all the custom voice over work. We can release without the custom voice over work, and will it diminish the play experience? No ... but at the same time, if we polished everything else there is really no point to release using default Blizzard sounds.
I have spent a lot of time in my life helping people with intellectual disabilities (and some troll somewhere is going to say I said the inappropriate comination of words, or that it was my family, it was me, explains a lot etc (inb4 ftw)) ... As such, the way I speak - I relate things, this is second nature for me - sadly the one way I can relate things you guys need or want to find out is to compare it to Tofu - as it is the only thing I have to show to compare systems etc. For the majority of people who are starting out in mapping, if I merely stated say like a paragraph long equation that was the answer to their problems, they are gonna be like ... wtf mate ... if I change the way I speak to a simple combination of words, and can relate it work I have done, people learn very quickly that they too can create a working system.
If you ever had someone say to you, oh it so easy to understand it when _you_ explain it, compared to the people around you, you probably do something similar ...
At the end of the day I honestly don't care what you guys think because technically, you are my competition and not my player base. This is the way every project manager should view this website, as a source for help when you need it by people who whilst are your competition, like to help you anyways to bring the whole level of the map making community up higher. Whilst you might think I am being hard or blunt, I am simply stating the truth.
If you wanted to put money on projects not being released, SCU is a better bet.
@DogmaiSEA: Go
This has got to be one of the most self-serving and narcissistic posts I've seen on these forums. You think anyone here gives a damn about anything you just said? No one cares about the reasons for your delay. Hell, no one cares about your map either. The reason you are getting chaff is not because of the delays...it is because you talk a big game and have no walk to back it up. Instead of trying to justify your delays why don't you just shut the hell up?
Mate seriously, you want to start this shit with me ...
You guys were bitching about the project / the way I speak, so I posted the reasons why it was delayed and why it is the way I speak like I do.
As for having nothing to show, you know better than most we can release Tofu today, right now, there is just simply no point to release it when it is so quiet (without custom voice over work etc).
You wanted me to redo Element TD for you (rescript the engine/create a completely custom UI) after I released Tofu, consider the deal off mate.
I'm not in this for the lulz. I don't waste my time starting shit with anonymous people on the internet.
No one was bitching about that. People have been bitching because you've been boasting about what is seemingly vaporware. There is more than one post where you talk as if you have this ace up your sleeve that is the next best thing since sliced bread.
Yes, I remember your beta. So? You should release it. I don't see any logic behind your reasoning. You can polish shit all day long and it will still be shit. I am not saying your map is shit...I'm saying it remains to be seen. Spending all this time polishing it without any idea of how it will perform is unwise.
I had discounted that deal months ago. At this rate, by the time you would have gotten to it...I'd have moved on from modding SC2.
@DogmaiSEA: Go
@Karawasa: Go
JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY!!!!
and dogmai, Whats it matter what anyone thinks? I live by a simple rule... FUCK EVERYonE ELSE THEM BITCHES GAY ANYWAYS lol
Carry on, I'm so close to closing this topic. It's not a nice conversation anymore, definitely not on topic and everyone's just bashing each other and not actually being productive to the topic... was there a topic anyway?
@xcorbo: Go
Well surprisingly enough, it has stayed on topic xcorbo. We simply went from discussing one unfinished project that was requesting donations to Dogmai's unfinished project, lol. By the way Dogmai, I truly do hope that you come out with something that blows the hell out of everything, but for cripes sake release something soon.
Haha had to like your post.
@xcorbo: Go
I don't think there is anything else to say so closing the topic is unnecessary.
I hope TOFU blows SotIS out of the water and gives us something fun to play on BNET. But you got to release it mate.
Pretty much ... you gotta understand corbo that pretty much everyone in this thread; with the except of the finnish failtroll, are mates. This is nothing, there is no reason to close it.
And I know you guys are eager to see it released, trust me, no one is more pissed off at Dry and I than Dry and I ourselves.
@DogmaiSEA: Go
yeah dogmai be my nigga, and he no dat mini chop farms is going to win over his tofu!!! lawl
zenx1 argued with you, so obviously he must be trolling.
Anyways, this thread is seriously out of the rails but at least it brings some activity.
Dumbass, he has been following me around for weeks like a stray little puppy dog wanting a treat.
Yes I think its about time someone buried SotIS. That dev team has been complete dicks to both their fans and other developers.
*Looks in thread*
what is this i dont even
*Leaves thread to other mods*