In wc3 I used to be a regular member of another forum for map making.
And we used to have a competition weekly. And here how it usually worked.
What usually happens is on Saturday. A few people signs up to the competition and then a theme and genre of the map is selected. Each player is given a map file with a barcode (Triggers that cannot be recreated on a different map) to prevent cheating. A few select trusted members of the forum is selected to judge based on the following.
Rules ( 0 / 10 points) - Does it follow theme and genre?
Originality (1- 5 points) How original it is
Polish (1- 10 points) Quality and details
Entertainment Value (1-10 points) Self explanatory
Bonus ( 2 points) A feature that the judge feels is worth of 2 points.
The maps are then showcased as a thread.
This promotes hype in the map making field, makes map makers more active, entertaining, and sharpen the skills of fellow map makers.
Not sure how easy it is to set up these sort of things. But I would love to actually make a map, and perhaps host the event. On another note it might be hard to find enough people to do these
Everything is subject to change. All is needed is enough support, like judges and so on. I might make the event later and see what happens and go from there.
One issue there might be is that as I heard, doing things in wc3 was a lot quicker than in sc2. But we won't know how it bears until we try at least once. Time can be an issue too, since for example I'm usually unavailable on Saturdays.
Another thing is that counting on others yields no results here. If you want it to happen you need to take the crown. I know the feeling. But I also cherish the environment of objectives and restrictions. I'll be besides you on this endeavor.
How I see it, the absolute minimum is at least 2 judges and at least 2 participants. So, Mapster, who wants to help us, someone to judge, and someone to play with.
Another thing is mapster tends to have a small experienced community, the one that's been around for years. Most of the better creators are always busy with their own projects and a lot of the newer users tend to keep quiet and occasionally make an account just to make a thread to ask for help on a problem that's previously been solved, but since the search engine is still terrible, they never found the answer.
Besides, we already have WTEs, that's probably the fastest map creation you can possibly have and that's not a 24 hour thing either.
Sorry, but unless you get a select few people that want to participate, there's not too much opportunity for something like this.
I now realize a 24 hour map creation competition is something that would only be viable for Wc3. So perhaps a 3 (Or a week?) day competition would be better, longer time to create a map, and would be better fitting to people schedule.
I agree we would need atleast 2 judges and 2 participants. Which I don't think would be too difficult to do. Start small, and maybe more people will join in in the future.
Just an idea...
Perhaps while I create a thread with some suggestions you guys make. I'll also make a promotional video for it to encourage people to come. Perhaps that'll be something we could do?
Another way we could do this is.... Instead of judges. I could make a video of each map AND a link (Optional) to the map on the thread. So the general public can vote based on the video and gameplay using the provided rating system.
Also, once I figure out all the things for this... where should I put the competition thread?
I'd participate if we could have partners, themes were kept rather loose, and no more than 3 days were allowed. I'm fine if it's on an honor system, whether someone actually started the project in those three days or before.
To the nonbelievers, you never know until you try it.
Partners might work. Would need to find a way to balance the rating system to make it fair, honer system is good if you guys are good with it, might have the occasional cheats but I doubt it. I agree 3 days sounds good.
Maybe something like this.
Team points. (1 person = +6 points) ( 2 person = +3 points) (3 person = +0 points) Of course this is just a example, it would be more balanced and flushed out. Or maybe just a minor reduced score multiplier for each person on the team.
Encouraging mapmakers to do partnerships would be fun and somewhat unique, though that means more of the community needs to get involved.
If you want to subtract score, I'd say 100% score for 1 person, 70% score for 2 people, 50% for 3 people, and 40% for 4+
The philosophy is things get a lot easier a lot quicker once you have 2 people and then 3 people, but having more makes it hard to organize, though I doubt anyone's going to join with 5 other people in this.
A week sounds too close to comfort zone, too much time to relax, experiment, cling to routines, get lost in choices, procrastinate and give up. 2-3 days would be ideal for a blitz, granted there should be at lease a day to plan out the plan of action.
It would be tough to do it during workweek seeing how some people have work/family obligations. Friday - Sunday sounds kinda nice.
Promotion video - since it's an in-community event we're all aware of it just through thread in general forum. For those who don't follow Mods could put an announcement on front page. I know that any video advertizing would be lost on me. I'm hyped by things happening, not by promises. As for general public voting on stuff - it just feels sparse. Decisions should be made by those who are willing to dedicate themselves.
Once everything is figured out just post it in general chat, it's the right place. And yea, teams is a wonderful idea. I also like that team points field, better add solo bonus than penalize overall score.
Encouraging mapmakers to do partnerships would be fun and somewhat unique, though that means more of the community needs to get involved.
I'd say it means more of the community would be involved, not that more of the community needs to be involved. I doubt people are only going to ask to partner up with those they know are participating already.
First, I don't think the partnership thing should not be obligated but more of an option for those of us who don't really know anyone that uses the editor
second, (not sure if that is what you meant or not) everyone starts with the same terrain (for example korhal grass with a racetrack in the middle of it) and then whoever participate has to make the game while including the race track, using at least 3 korhal textures including grass and then adding whatever they want to make the game fit the game genre. This could add a challenge to the thing
Last, and probably best, every contest needs a prize, now as much as id like money, I don't see who would pay for that so instead my idea is that each week, the winner get what mozared got, which is everyone making spinoffs of his portrait (or combining 2 portraits in the case of teams).
I think this is a really good idea. I would totally participate. I think it would be a good way to do something refreshing. I think as long as you stagger how often you do these and don't expect half the community to participate you can't loose. I wouldn't offer any kinds of prizes and I wouldn't necessarily even make it a contest. Look how much participation the Weekly Terrain Exercises get and that's really just people making terrains to improve their skills and for fun.
Anyway I look forward to seeing this happen at some point.
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In wc3 I used to be a regular member of another forum for map making.
And we used to have a competition weekly. And here how it usually worked.
What usually happens is on Saturday. A few people signs up to the competition and then a theme and genre of the map is selected. Each player is given a map file with a barcode (Triggers that cannot be recreated on a different map) to prevent cheating. A few select trusted members of the forum is selected to judge based on the following.
Rules ( 0 / 10 points) - Does it follow theme and genre?
Originality (1- 5 points) How original it is
Polish (1- 10 points) Quality and details
Entertainment Value (1-10 points) Self explanatory
Bonus ( 2 points) A feature that the judge feels is worth of 2 points.
The maps are then showcased as a thread.
This promotes hype in the map making field, makes map makers more active, entertaining, and sharpen the skills of fellow map makers.
What do you guys think about this?
@TheVeryBlue: Go
I think it's viable. I'll participate if at least 1 other person participates.
Not sure how easy it is to set up these sort of things. But I would love to actually make a map, and perhaps host the event. On another note it might be hard to find enough people to do these
Everything is subject to change. All is needed is enough support, like judges and so on. I might make the event later and see what happens and go from there.
@TheVeryBlue: Go
One issue there might be is that as I heard, doing things in wc3 was a lot quicker than in sc2. But we won't know how it bears until we try at least once. Time can be an issue too, since for example I'm usually unavailable on Saturdays.
Another thing is that counting on others yields no results here. If you want it to happen you need to take the crown. I know the feeling. But I also cherish the environment of objectives and restrictions. I'll be besides you on this endeavor.
How I see it, the absolute minimum is at least 2 judges and at least 2 participants. So, Mapster, who wants to help us, someone to judge, and someone to play with.
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Curse PremiumAnother thing is mapster tends to have a small experienced community, the one that's been around for years. Most of the better creators are always busy with their own projects and a lot of the newer users tend to keep quiet and occasionally make an account just to make a thread to ask for help on a problem that's previously been solved, but since the search engine is still terrible, they never found the answer.
Besides, we already have WTEs, that's probably the fastest map creation you can possibly have and that's not a 24 hour thing either.
Sorry, but unless you get a select few people that want to participate, there's not too much opportunity for something like this.
I now realize a 24 hour map creation competition is something that would only be viable for Wc3. So perhaps a 3 (Or a week?) day competition would be better, longer time to create a map, and would be better fitting to people schedule.
I agree we would need atleast 2 judges and 2 participants. Which I don't think would be too difficult to do. Start small, and maybe more people will join in in the future.
Just an idea...
Perhaps while I create a thread with some suggestions you guys make. I'll also make a promotional video for it to encourage people to come. Perhaps that'll be something we could do?
Another way we could do this is.... Instead of judges. I could make a video of each map AND a link (Optional) to the map on the thread. So the general public can vote based on the video and gameplay using the provided rating system.
Also, once I figure out all the things for this... where should I put the competition thread?
@TheVeryBlue: Go
I'd participate if we could have partners, themes were kept rather loose, and no more than 3 days were allowed. I'm fine if it's on an honor system, whether someone actually started the project in those three days or before.
To the nonbelievers, you never know until you try it.
Partners might work. Would need to find a way to balance the rating system to make it fair, honer system is good if you guys are good with it, might have the occasional cheats but I doubt it. I agree 3 days sounds good.
Maybe something like this.
Team points. (1 person = +6 points) ( 2 person = +3 points) (3 person = +0 points) Of course this is just a example, it would be more balanced and flushed out. Or maybe just a minor reduced score multiplier for each person on the team.
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Curse PremiumEncouraging mapmakers to do partnerships would be fun and somewhat unique, though that means more of the community needs to get involved.
If you want to subtract score, I'd say 100% score for 1 person, 70% score for 2 people, 50% for 3 people, and 40% for 4+
The philosophy is things get a lot easier a lot quicker once you have 2 people and then 3 people, but having more makes it hard to organize, though I doubt anyone's going to join with 5 other people in this.
@TheVeryBlue: Go
A week sounds too close to comfort zone, too much time to relax, experiment, cling to routines, get lost in choices, procrastinate and give up. 2-3 days would be ideal for a blitz, granted there should be at lease a day to plan out the plan of action.
It would be tough to do it during workweek seeing how some people have work/family obligations. Friday - Sunday sounds kinda nice.
Promotion video - since it's an in-community event we're all aware of it just through thread in general forum. For those who don't follow Mods could put an announcement on front page. I know that any video advertizing would be lost on me. I'm hyped by things happening, not by promises. As for general public voting on stuff - it just feels sparse. Decisions should be made by those who are willing to dedicate themselves.
Once everything is figured out just post it in general chat, it's the right place. And yea, teams is a wonderful idea. I also like that team points field, better add solo bonus than penalize overall score.
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I'd say it means more of the community would be involved, not that more of the community needs to be involved. I doubt people are only going to ask to partner up with those they know are participating already.
This sounds awesome but i got some comments.
First, I don't think the partnership thing should not be obligated but more of an option for those of us who don't really know anyone that uses the editor
second, (not sure if that is what you meant or not) everyone starts with the same terrain (for example korhal grass with a racetrack in the middle of it) and then whoever participate has to make the game while including the race track, using at least 3 korhal textures including grass and then adding whatever they want to make the game fit the game genre. This could add a challenge to the thing
Last, and probably best, every contest needs a prize, now as much as id like money, I don't see who would pay for that so instead my idea is that each week, the winner get what mozared got, which is everyone making spinoffs of his portrait (or combining 2 portraits in the case of teams).
So, ya, these are just my ideas
@TheVeryBlue: Go
I think this is a really good idea. I would totally participate. I think it would be a good way to do something refreshing. I think as long as you stagger how often you do these and don't expect half the community to participate you can't loose. I wouldn't offer any kinds of prizes and I wouldn't necessarily even make it a contest. Look how much participation the Weekly Terrain Exercises get and that's really just people making terrains to improve their skills and for fun.
Anyway I look forward to seeing this happen at some point.