Map Content. You understand that the content required to create or modify STARCRAFT® II Modified Maps (as defined below) is included in the STARCRAFT® II game client, and that all such content is owned by Blizzard and governed by this Agreement. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL MAPS, LEVELS AND OTHER CONTENT CREATED OR MODIFIED USING THE MAP EDITOR (COLLECTIVELY, “MODIFIED MAPS”) ARE AND SHALL REMAIN THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY OF BLIZZARD. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, YOU HERE BY ASSIGN TO BLIZZARD ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS, TITLE AND INTEREST IN AND TO ALL MODIFIED MAPS, AND AGREE THAT YOU WILL EXECUTE FUTURE ASSIGNMENTS PROMPTLY UPON RECEIVING SUCH A REQUEST FROM BLIZZARD
I'm certain this is just for legal reasons. Just as it is possible for big groups to make maps and sell them without authorization. If you want, you can talk to them to have your maps considered and maybe get a business deal with them.
No, its not just in there for legal reasons. Actually, the Korean FTC didn't agree to these exact stipulations in the SC2 EULA, and forced Blizz to change them before releasing the game in Korea. You can fine more on this here:
im sorry but i was always under the impression that if you buy a product, what you create in it is YOURS...
thats like buying the 3dsmax program to design your artwork for a game, And then all of a sudden if your game is doing good<sub> the 3dsmax company then says " well hey, you used our tool!" , so give us some profits.. as far as i know, blizzard used 3dsmax to create thier models, i wonder how they would feel if the 3dsmax team said for them to cough up some loot. </sub>
This just does not make sense, We bought the game, what you create on it should be entirely yours.
In that agreement its basically clearly stating, if your map is popular, blizzard will see it as a cash crop and Forcefully premium it without your consent.. When that happens you might loose over 50% of your playing population cause some people just aren't going to pay to play a custom game. and others like me dont have visa cards etc to buy stuff online.
Blizzard got a ton of skeletons in the closet and they keep getting released everyday
Well, maybe I'm too optimistic. But there's no harm in sending them a mail with your package and proposals. If I have to say so myself, this section is the safest way to protect their stuff. It's relentless, but I'm sure you can go and have business with them.
Max costs a gazillion dollars though. I sure don't want this to go to that extent. I'm happy with the current agreement: I get a cheap tool, and be able to propose a business deal with them.
Edit:
Regarding forced premiums: I have yet to see this happen though. As I am certain they could just recreate whatever brilliant map idea we make in their own versions and sell that as premium.
Okay. I'm just gonna set this down now. But just so readers are aware of the fact that if they are serious with their work and looking to make business with it, they can contact blizzard for that matter. And this section actually protects us from others who would steal our maps and sell them as their own.
Okay. I'm just gonna set this down now. But just so readers are aware of the fact that if they are serious with their work and looking to make business with it, they can contact blizzard for that matter. And this section actually protects us from others who would steal our maps and sell them as their own.
Blizzard wants the rights to anything developed as an ancillary project using their tools, running under their engine, on their servers, using their intellectual property?
Preposterous!
...
If you want to make profits on your work, make a game and publish it yourself. You may end up with the next crimsonland or dwarf fortress or whatever. Setting up Max in a straw man argument in no way invalidates the claim of a company to control their own intellectual property.
im sorry but i was always under the impression that if you buy a product, what you create in it is YOURS...
Yes, that's true. But you usually don't buy digital products. You just buy the right of using it. That's why they're allowed do stuff like limit the number of installs you have - because it doesn't belong to you. You're just allowed to use it.
Why wouldn't it be legal in Germany? To me it's pretty clear: The EULA says all user-created content belongs to Blizzard. You agree to the EULA by installing the game. You agree to give all your copyright to Blizzard.
If you do not agree with something in the EULA you can return the game to where you bought it from and tell them that.
Does the pen/paper company own the documents written on their products?
Well... if they only sold you the right to use their pens and paper, and if you furthermore agreed that all documents written with their pens belong to them... yes.
And people, WC3 had pretty much the same. And I guess even SC1 has it. It's not like Blizzard's going to snatch away your maps -.-
Well... if they only sold you the right to use their pens and paper, and if you furthermore agreed that all documents written with their pens belong to them... yes.
And people, WC3 had pretty much the same. And I guess even SC1 has it. It's not like Blizzard's going to snatch away your maps -.-
You can't write away ones rights, that would be the same as arguing that they could murder you if they wrote it into their EULA, and you would be ok with that (and it would be legal), luckily it isn't.
WC3 didn't claim any ownership and i doubt the previous games did either.
From the EULA:
Map Content. You understand that the content required to create or modify STARCRAFT® II Modified Maps (as defined below) is included in the STARCRAFT® II game client, and that all such content is owned by Blizzard and governed by this Agreement. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL MAPS, LEVELS AND OTHER CONTENT CREATED OR MODIFIED USING THE MAP EDITOR (COLLECTIVELY, “MODIFIED MAPS”) ARE AND SHALL REMAIN THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY OF BLIZZARD. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, YOU HERE BY ASSIGN TO BLIZZARD ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS, TITLE AND INTEREST IN AND TO ALL MODIFIED MAPS, AND AGREE THAT YOU WILL EXECUTE FUTURE ASSIGNMENTS PROMPTLY UPON RECEIVING SUCH A REQUEST FROM BLIZZARD
From the SC2 manual: http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/files/439/822/StarCraft_II_Manual.pdf
Few people on IRC pointed this out (Thanks Foxlit).
Not sure if that's really legal ...
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Curse PremiumSo blizzard can make our maps "premium" and charge money for it...Oh great.
@Ackis: Go
Well that sucks..An even greater incentive to create awesome maps, no? -_-
I'm certain this is just for legal reasons. Just as it is possible for big groups to make maps and sell them without authorization. If you want, you can talk to them to have your maps considered and maybe get a business deal with them.
You can make:
1. Books 2. Comics 3. Animated Comics 4. Animation 5. Card Games 6. Anything
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
No, its not just in there for legal reasons. Actually, the Korean FTC didn't agree to these exact stipulations in the SC2 EULA, and forced Blizz to change them before releasing the game in Korea. You can fine more on this here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132008
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
im sorry but i was always under the impression that if you buy a product, what you create in it is YOURS...
thats like buying the 3dsmax program to design your artwork for a game, And then all of a sudden if your game is doing good<sub> the 3dsmax company then says " well hey, you used our tool!" , so give us some profits.. as far as i know, blizzard used 3dsmax to create thier models, i wonder how they would feel if the 3dsmax team said for them to cough up some loot. </sub>
This just does not make sense, We bought the game, what you create on it should be entirely yours.
In that agreement its basically clearly stating, if your map is popular, blizzard will see it as a cash crop and Forcefully premium it without your consent.. When that happens you might loose over 50% of your playing population cause some people just aren't going to pay to play a custom game. and others like me dont have visa cards etc to buy stuff online.
Blizzard got a ton of skeletons in the closet and they keep getting released everyday
Well, maybe I'm too optimistic. But there's no harm in sending them a mail with your package and proposals. If I have to say so myself, this section is the safest way to protect their stuff. It's relentless, but I'm sure you can go and have business with them.
Max costs a gazillion dollars though. I sure don't want this to go to that extent. I'm happy with the current agreement: I get a cheap tool, and be able to propose a business deal with them.
Edit:
Regarding forced premiums: I have yet to see this happen though. As I am certain they could just recreate whatever brilliant map idea we make in their own versions and sell that as premium.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
@GnaReffotsirk: Go
Actually you can get a student copy of max for $100
@Tzunamis: Go
Okay. I'm just gonna set this down now. But just so readers are aware of the fact that if they are serious with their work and looking to make business with it, they can contact blizzard for that matter. And this section actually protects us from others who would steal our maps and sell them as their own.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
Really? How?where?how?
@EternalWraith: Go
Check their website. It was [email protected] three years back.
Whatever you do, wholeheartedly, moment by heartfelt moment, becomes a tool for the expression of your very soul.
Their editor. Their resources. Their maps. I believe the chances of Blizzard abusing this power is minimal.
Does Microsoft own novels written on MS Word?
Does the pen/paper company own the documents written on their products?
In germany it wouldnt be legal.
Dont know about America though and other countries
Blizzard wants the rights to anything developed as an ancillary project using their tools, running under their engine, on their servers, using their intellectual property?
Preposterous!
...
If you want to make profits on your work, make a game and publish it yourself. You may end up with the next crimsonland or dwarf fortress or whatever. Setting up Max in a straw man argument in no way invalidates the claim of a company to control their own intellectual property.
Yes!
Yes, that's true. But you usually don't buy digital products. You just buy the right of using it. That's why they're allowed do stuff like limit the number of installs you have - because it doesn't belong to you. You're just allowed to use it.
@Sharillon: Go
Why wouldn't it be legal in Germany? To me it's pretty clear: The EULA says all user-created content belongs to Blizzard. You agree to the EULA by installing the game. You agree to give all your copyright to Blizzard.
If you do not agree with something in the EULA you can return the game to where you bought it from and tell them that.
Well... if they only sold you the right to use their pens and paper, and if you furthermore agreed that all documents written with their pens belong to them... yes.
And people, WC3 had pretty much the same. And I guess even SC1 has it. It's not like Blizzard's going to snatch away your maps -.-
You can't write away ones rights, that would be the same as arguing that they could murder you if they wrote it into their EULA, and you would be ok with that (and it would be legal), luckily it isn't.
WC3 didn't claim any ownership and i doubt the previous games did either.