SC2Mapster

My only concern with this is, the time to build stuff, i cant tell you how many times ive lost literally because i couldnt build the things i needed to build before a round starts.

You should lock colors so we know where we will spawn, i hate having to guess or wait to pick last to know where i'm going to be, because it changes which race i play.

I've beaten the game, a lot of fun, not too hard. good job.

About my earlier comment on the last boss. Its nice that you nerfed the destruction because it killed half my base in 1 attack before i managed to take it down :O

edit: I complain about this from multiple td... why the F do you guys remove patrol from builders. I love messing around with my builder...

"I don't know what to tell you. Don't play public games, I suppose. You wouldn't do Molten Core with a random group, would you?"

I wouldn't go near that game with a 10 foot stick anymore :D

What I was trying to explain is that people don't learn and don't listen- the vast majority of people who have been playing refuse to listen to suggestions and repeatedly do the same thing (in fact just now I had two rounds in a row where all four of my team mates just made turrets and called it a day :( ). I mean honestly, if they can't read the loading page and understand that empty bunkers do nothing, do you expect them to learn and be able to play to later levels?

It would also be cool if people weren't allowed to use sunken until it was finished >.<

"I understand your frustrations with the difficulty. However, if I make the map easier because of new players, then it becomes too easy and boring for a group that knows what they are doing."

True. But everybody is a new player and so few of them have any clue what they're doing (or listen to the suggestions of others for that matter). At all. To the point where I need to join like 5 lobbies before I find a *half* decent group. Also- the first 10-20 waves have become so boring because I've done them soooooooooo many times (thanks to all the mass crawlers/bunkers/turrets)

"It should be impossible for new players. It should be difficult for experts."

Which would be nice if there was a way to separate the noobs and the vets into different lobbies...but you can't :( and it really brings the map down.

"Crawlers can be useful. They cannot be built alone, but with the right synergy, you can safely build them starting round 1. It's a strategy I designed the race around, but so far have really seen no one use correctly."

I've only come across one other person besides my self who could utilize them correctly...everyone else just builds as much as possible and nothing else.

And on another note...I'm not so much frustrated with the difficulty as I have no problem getting to 36 with a decent group....but again...99% of people trying this map don't do anything useful- and infact join other lobbies and continue doing the exact same fail strategies and ignoring everyone trying to help them.

Indeed, I heard the SC2Editor is like working with a bucket of mud :/ However with such things atleast copy/paste coding can be done :D

- Disabling sharing of resources upon player-leave in Left vs Right mode. I do not want the other team to be able to sell the towers of a player on the opposing team when they leave. I do not want the resources distributed to both teams.

-Sorry but how else are you supposed to get the high level towers past level 30 or so without stealing people's towers? I've done everything I can think of- no matter what I do it seems impossible to even get the Higgs Boson tower without selling someone's towers.

-I can take down a robot on my own no problem, but 99% of the people I play with can barely get it to half health. Can you PLEASE reduce it's power? And on that note, why is the Citadel so much easier to take down?

-Protector (stinger upgrade) should have a larger foot print- I found out the hard way it's arms block massive units and makes a wall.

-Something really needs to be done about bunkers and spore crawlers- whether it be banning them for the first few waves or only allowing two. I'm getting really tired of losing because people think massing crawlers and bunkers works for anything.

-Is the map actually beatable? I've only been to level 36 and I haven't played with anyone who has passed that level. What's the deal?

Overall an awesome map, though it would be nice if i knew enough people who didn't completely fail at it!

Crashed on the 2nd boss twice in a row now, not sure what happened but with this new update(version) it keeps crashing me...

Anyone else have this problem?

Oh and yeah long comment :P sorry about that.

Hey nice work on your map so far. Although it has problems. Some basic things: Why so many useless units? Marines, firebats past like round 4, turrets and even sunkens outside of just to wall. I think a simple thing to add would be a generic "upgrade" structure for buildings or units in general, similar to the Ghosts upgrades. It confuses me why ghosts are the -only- infantry to have an upgrade. Specifically per race:

Humans: Marines: Almost useless on stage 1, for 3 minerals each they barely do any damage at all and worse than that. If they had a "hero" upgrade to maybe a Marine2.0 that did more damage, or had upgrades this would easily solve this issue. Firebats: Useless past a few stages. Same issues as the marine, lacking firepower and even increased cost (to 20 from 10). Without any ability to upgrade this unit is lacking and costs to much to even consider using en-mass. Turrets: Oh lawd almost worse than marines because they cost double. Even the like 45 crystal upgrade for this unit is terrible. :/ Laser: Although not that bad of a unit on its own, its upgraded unit costs to much to consider buying ever thus making this unit in general one to not buy because its future potential is so low. Bunkers: They do their job but I would suggest merging bunkers and turrets to make one unit. A Bunker with an upgrade to become bunker+OntopTurret for 1020 cost. The turret could be fast firing and do decent ground/air damage. It, further, could upgrade to a more powerful one.

Sunken: Zerglings: Fine on their own. But all the infantry they can use should, like humans, have some kind of upgrades. Maybe faster attacks for zerglings or hydras getting more range, etc. Hydras: Cost to much at 25 each I almost never use hydras. 12.5 zerglings do significantly more damage whilst lacking AA that can be covered elsewhere. Upgrades would be fun Banelings: ...does anyone use these? They are like turrets but even more useless. 8 minerals for a unit that almost can NEVER make back its cost outside the first few rounds. They desperately need a damage buff or ability to make banelings more dangerous past round 4+ It would make alot more sense to make banelings into something else and make it a very slow (23 attackspeed) unit that did good damage. At least then I MAY use them once. Pierces: They are a good unit but expensive. I am very uninterested in buying these over the acid-throwing lake for 70mins. These need to be re-valuated in cost to balance them out. Spine Crawlers: a 'wall' and that's all they are. crappy damage, upgrades cost to much and its AA upgrade is a joke for its cost, at most only useless on the first air wave and that's it. Exploders are the only reliable upgrade, but 172 for the shocker (even if its not bad on its own) is crap compared to the potential of other units. Awakener: ...so slow attack its worthless. Only in an extreme maze could this unit ever function properly and even then it has very diminishing results for its 204 price tag. 3 acid-lakes for 210 would do significantly better..and namely attack air. AcidLakePoolsIforgotthenameof: The best unit sunken have, its cost effective, does great damage and attacks fast...with splash. However would like some upgrade for it, as I think all units should have upgrades. Lava Spewer: :/ terrible. 300 minerals, or otherwise known as 4 acid-lakes. that does good damage at a decent speed. Just costs to much. damage overall from acidlakes would do more. No upgrades, kind of meh range aswell. Infestor: Costly, barely slows units, not all that great.

Heroes: Should have a choice between a few I think. Atleast Sunken and Human should have a different hero. Overall kind of a meh unit, late game only good for Slow or using PulseRifle (of which requires massive dumping into efficiency), but costs 400. Could have abit more diversity I think. But probably the most solid part of the map.

But hey, like the play the map, its just mindnumbing to play because of retards who buy all the terrible units. I like maps to take strategy, but having entirely useless units isn't strategy, its mostly about strangling the little use you can out of the somewhat decent units :(

Why didnt u fix the loading screen? Thats the most annoying thing...Just make it start no reason to have to click a key to make it start..

i hope the current last boss is a placeholder and wont actually destroy everything in its path once you add more levels :O

Yeah there are a lot of issues w/ level 37 (outpost air). The spacing of the spawns muddles the exit point and so it bugs out. I remember that the Battleship level is actually similarly poorly spaced. If you can thin out the line of spawns enough, your game will get stuck. I am getting the issue that the Outpost are actually moving to a portion of the map where they are completely untargettable by any units. They try to run away from any units I have placed on either edge of the bottom by running straight south.

To counter this, I suggest putting an automatic kill switch for any level. What the kill switch will do is automatically clear the map of any spawns and deduct the total amount from your lives. At least this way you can continue on the way it should.

Yeah failkaito, We were looking for someone who actually had an idea of how to play to be tail for us (that didn't happen because I ended up being it LOL) We were lucky enough to find you when we did. It was a fun LONG night hahaha. I mean even ownology stayed up until 1 hour before he had to go to work to finish it with us. Thats crazy though you got to lvl 41 with the same strategy?

Anyways the bosses aren't TOO hard and by that I mean you could kill them if you know what choices to make and used the right strategy. That being said I do look forward for any improvements you will make on the sunken race because at this time we have little use for them other than mazing. The apocalypser is worth it for 1300 for 8000 splash dmg. You just have to know how to use it efficiently and where to place it. It saved our asses a few times. I really liked the way you have the heros set up, makes you really think. feel free to pm me if you want to add me ingame, i believe my friend ownology already sent you a replay of our game. Have to agree with sniper on the click any key waiting thing. Just make a "start game button"

One more thing i forgot and probably the most important and irritating is the loading screen...You need to change it from click "any" key..

So many times I have waited for ever and people just leave, dont know what the problem is..I guess people are looking for the "any" key and cant seem to find it.

Great map. I've played it way too much.

One thing I've noticed is that Thors "disappear". Not sure if there's any validity to it, but I have noticed it seems to happen when I or others use the Tempest. Perhaps the psionic storm kills it for some reason? Maybe I'm way off on that? Anyway, for some reason they are disappearing or more likely being destroyed by something.

Also, I DO NOT think it's too easy. You've played enough to know that. It's very hard to get a group of people that have much idea of how to get past level 20. There are still people building empty bunkers! I've got to level 34 many times now with random pick ups, but that seems to be the limit.