SC2Mapster

@ Faeo:

Already got rid of the Armageddon levels on 21,31

Lowering the nuke radius a tad is a good idea

lookout tower upgrade is a good idea too

Builders already have blink.

Faeo thanks for the tons of input.

I need to digest this and see whats appropriate to change now / add to wish list.

Vash:

The ultra uniques will now retarget a random target in range every time they attack since their effects are "total"

@faeo

Technically its a (4vs1) vs (4vs1) The look out towers have a purpose. it stops the game from killing you at the begining. Try selling it before you build anything see how far that gets you.

the 60s lag window from alt and tabbing is from people who run in true fullscreen. If they ran it in fullscreen windowed it would a) alt and tab quicker as the games running to the desktop resolution / colour b) not give you the 60s window

the probe needs a "phasing" mode > thats why it has blink. use your hotkeys its not rocket science.

As for the resistances on mobs. Thats already ingame its just it needs to be stronger later levels than it already is

I really love this map. It is probably my absolute favorite TD map out there at the moment. However, nearly every time i play there is rarely a finished game without MOST players leaving. There are a few reasons.

1) Nukes. If anyone ever gets nuked the game is over. Everyone on the team that was nuked quits. Then everyone else quits. This includes the new Armageddon round where someone HAS to get nuked for it to end. Games simply end on this round and it is NOT FUN. From my experience, people who love this map play to beat the map and don't root for the other team's failure.

Change how nukes work. Make them less devastating. A nuke should hurt a team, not end the game outright...especially now that they are mandatory. It only needs something simple like instead of 1 - 2 nukes that destroy EVERYTHING have 3 or 4 that destroy things within a 4 - 9 block square. There needs to be a way for a team to recover or there is no competition and people just ragequit. Whats the fun in that?

2) In the end there are just too many players. I've never played this map with 4v4 ever. It is always 3v2 or 4v1 or something like this. Players quit for a slew of reasons and it only takes 1 person quitting for the game to be over. There needs to be a smaller version of this map. I'm aware that i can start the game with less players but when joining a lobby it is IMPOSSIBLE to do this as someone will always join making the teams odd and then *poof* it is filled. There needs to be 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3 versions of this map. I would bet my life that a 3v3 version would be infinitely more popular.

3) Build time in between rounds is too short. I consider myself a veteran and I still can't build fast enough. Something simply like having a "ready" button after key rounds like boss rounds and the first round would be helpful.

4) look out towers are pretty annoying. Deleting the stupid things is just another few seconds i waste in between rounds trying to build. Make them useful somehow. You know what would be cool? If you could upgrade it to something really useful. Since it is randomly placed, you would have to build your maze around it to utilize the upgrades. That would be a hell of a lot of fun. At the very least, let us sell it for 3 minerals.

5) Towers and what they do is overall confusing. These need to be simplified somehow. I don't mean changing the towers themselves, but the menus don't tell us enough. Right now we can't see a tower's upgraded version until we put it on the ground. Once you know the map and know the towers thats not a big deal, but new players *always* have a hard time because they just don't know what does what. Something simple like having AIR, GROUND or BOTH as separate categories or columns would help. You need to be able to see this better as well as see exactly what upgrades are before the initial towers are purchased.

6) Late game downtime is also a problem. Once my maze is set and I have 5 shrines running, i can pretty much sit and wait for multiple liquifiers to be purchased. As stupid as it sounds, games end because of late game lag...why? People get bored and tab in and out of the game to check on progress....which sets the 60s lag window for everyone in game.

Having some waves that are immune or resistant to one type of damage or another later on will help because you need to be diverse to win. This would break early game, but late game (wave 25+) would be great. It adds a new layer of challenge to keep you actively playing at later stages People will still want to be able to get one of something big so i don't know how to balance this. Maybe have resistent/immune waves give BIG mineral pay off to offset the cost of putting up an array of wave specific towers.

There are also a few things that I have wanted to see added that are less consequential.

1) East v West terrain difference. I really think the tile set for each side should be distinct and unique.

2) I'd like to see towers that have different possible upgrades. Something like a tower that can have one of two interesting bonuses like increased rate of fire or a slowing effect, for example.

3) I've always wanted to see a teleport tower. Something that will teleport a single mob to the start of the maze and force him to rerun it (bosses are immune). The teleport tower would need to have a cooldown of like 10 seconds but just have a little extra something to prevent leaks would be great.

4) Towers that make mobs walk backwards would also be cool. Same as the teleport tower idea, there would need to be a lengthy cooldown or mobs could only be turned around once bu a single tower. Probably needs to be an expensive tower.

5) the "path" waves run should be visible somehow so players can see better how to design their maze. Running your probe around works some but it isn't exactly ideal. It would need to be as a toggle or be extremely minimal visually. Over all this isn't big and could probably go without.

6) More 4 block towers. Once i experienced this I thought to myself (this is brilliant, it changes everything!) but it was only for 1 ultra unique tower. Would be nice to see more 4 block towers as special towers.

7) the probe needs a "phasing" mode where it can walk through buildings. sometimes it can't reach an exact place I need it to go in time, and increasing it's speed will just make it more annoying then useful.

Thanks for the map and the hard work. I hope this helps you some. Cheers!

@VeridianEntropy

Don't worry about it.

I've spent days looking at some code i wrote once which wouldn't work only to find out i missed a capital on a variable. It had be doubting if it really worked.

Can't wait to try this release

1) wave 30 boss invincible : found - i forgot to update my "check for invincibility" code when i changed the bosses rate of hp increase

2) guided missile battery exploding : found forgot to exclude structure from targets

3) speed bonus window : fixed it but can't test b/c bnet is down

4) didn't see any problems with the temple of pain, tested vs the 4 types its supposed to hit

5) build timer not always visible : cant reproduce this one

Soon as bnet is back up ill test the speed bonus thing then publish

looks like as a bonus on 5.5. ill have the random targeting thing going on the ultra uniques

GAH

I totally screwed up on lvl 30 boss, sorry guys, my bad,

Ill get 5.5 released right away with this fixed and send to Raithwall

@VeridianEntropy

Can you send this to raithwall so eu can get the update?