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Okay, just got out of a 6.5 as Munitions:

Bug Fix Confirmations:

Projectiles seem to be functioning properly now across the board. Munitions performs much more admirably against air as a result. I'd still consider giving them an air-only slow, though.

The slow effect issues seem to also be fixed.

Balance Concerns:

Spore Implanter is now even MORE effective than before since it was also suffering from the projectile bug. I suggest upping the attack speed to 3 or even 4 seconds. It's just way too good the way it is right now.

Lvl 49 - It may be a bug more than balance, but these waves sometimes have random members just stop and fire at everything close to them instead of continuing on through the maze, resulting in complete destruction if not killed fast enough. I had my entire maze destroyed at 49 in Shared Income. Also, they do AoE damage, right? Might want to nix that. Heavily penalizes groups of towers.

Honestly I think balance isn't half-bad right now. Seems better all-around now that the towers are functioning properly. Will have to see how each mode pans out, though, since there's a large difference between shared with 2 players and original with 4 players.

Personally I think that nerf to the Baneling was a bit unbalanced. Being able to only spawn 1, defeats the purpose (first 5 die without doing dmg to enemy base anyways). And with the already nerfed splash range, all they do in the rare occasion they do hit, is kill 2-3 of the outer mazing turrets (IE 9minerals worth of dmg, seeing as pretty much anything T4 basically 1 shots them at range). Spawning 10 baneling's, with 2 players remaining, probably only killed 6 turrets total between them, with the only successful hits, being ones that were following right behind another, and using the front one as a meat shield, and got close enough to turrets to do splash dmg when it died.

Medivac's are equally as deadly and damaging to another player, without actually destroying anything. A couple medivac's on a harder boss, nearly make them impossible to kill (especially when used with a lack of aoe dmg, like on wave 20 boss). If bane's require a cooldown, then they either a) need to be unattackable by the other player, or b) medivac's also get a cooldown and mineral increase.

Next thing that people will say is "Open to Abuse" is saving minerals till they see the bottom player leak 1 mob, then slamming them with Nuke %.. (same concept, much higher reprocussions, 1 leak = auto nuke... which is 4-5k minerals worth of turrets?)

6.5

• several bugs related to splash damage have been fixed. Towers affected: All towers that do splash damage and all towers that fire "missiles" which basically includes almost all towers.

• Tooltips for t3 and t4 munitions updated to reflect splash damage changes.

I hate too easy (regarding balance, not fixes!) just as much as the next guy, so I'll be looking closely at the tower balance after you get the fix released, probably starting with Munitions. I love a good challenge, I just dislike gimmicks and anything that represents an unfair situation.

its actually a really easy fix, I'm just worried it may affect the balance quite a bit since i have gone through all the towers and seen it in at least 8 towers.

I'm just going to trust in my initial math that if everything is working "as intended" then there wont be any huge problems

Glad to hear that you've figured it out. As for owing me anything, don't worry about it, your thanks and the credit you've already given me is enough. It's a good map and you've shown to be dedicated to it and improving it. The only thing I care for is that you take my concerns into account regarding balance ;o I'm generally very, very good at overall analysis of a problem/system and have an intuitive sense for these sorts of things. Everything I saw was telling me there was something wrong, just hoping it's something easy to fix.

HOLY SHIT Warlyik, You helped me figure it out!!!!

Thank you so much man!

It's AOE "search" was doing damage to "misslies" any weapon that deosnt damage its target immediatly uses a missle.

Im scared to look through all aoe weapons and fix this, it may considerably change game balance if everytthing is working as intended! Needs to be done though.

I owe you huge man, you you need any design work done? lol

I didn't get a chance last game because we didn't have an Energy player available :(

Might play another in a bit, though.

Oh, and I just remembered a very, very minor bug.

The "Blink" ability on the Munitions tower builder HOTKEY didn't work. AKA, no B for Blink even though the tooltip says so.

War:

Could you tell me for certain that the slow towers are unaffected by the spore implanter now?

All my testing says its fixed but would like verification.

I need to do more digging into the spore implanter but at least i have something to reproduce!

Yes, because I was testing it by hitting leaks from across the map (top to bottom lane). I know there's a Min Range and it won't even fire when within that.

I targeted areas of the leak waves without the Spore Cloud, and it always hit successfully. But when I targeted anything with a Spore Cloud on it, it's 100% fail. I feel like the T3 and T4 munitions may also be suffering the same effect because they seem to use a similar projectile, right? This may explain why I'm seeing less than stellar performances in my maze (though I still think not having air slow is another issue).

In fact.. when I originally reported this issue, I had a really rough time with the last boss. But I remember something else. The boss had a very visible shield. That shield extended beyond it, and though I know little about the specific parameters, I think the particle/aura effect is very similar to what the spore cloud does. Thus, the projectile itself may be having problems hitting anything with a similar effect being turned on/visible. It seemed to hit very frequently when the shield was down, but again, just like the spore cloud, didn't hit at all when the shield went visible.

you sure its the spore implanter and not the min 3 range?

Bugs with latest release:

(Fairly Major) Long Tom - projectile fails to hit its target if a Spore Implanter cloud graphic is anywhere near it. Basically, the projectile disappears if it passes into the spore graphic. This bug may be effecting other similar projectiles.

This isn't necessarily new.. it's something I had a problem with before. But only just now did I confirm it to myself what was actually happening. The projectile would almost always hit a target without a spore on it, but would fail 100% of the time when passing through spore graphic.

DPS Calculation Error:

T4 Munitions (Burst Rocket Launcher) described as 963 DPS in tooltip before construction. Its normal damage tooltip lists the base damage as 175 dmg per attack, 1 attack, attacks 0.25 times a second. Therefore, the actual DPS is 700 base. If there is a splash, it seems pitiful in comparison to the Implosion Shrine on air.

T3 Munitions (Depleted Uranium High VC Cannon) still doesn't feel right DPS-wise. A similar T3 Implosion Shrine tower lineup for Energy towers completely annihilates air waves; they do more damage in a greater splash area than Munitions. Organic even seems to fair better overall.

This MAY be linked to the above bug with Spore Implanter since I almost always use it now. The projectiles may just be failing to hit their target entirely, thus creating the illusion of no or little damage.

6.4

• carriers can no longer attack buildings

Found the most amazing thing that needs fixing..Carriers can attack friendly and enemy towers. Not just mobs if you use the attack command.

So the only real "Bug" that is known about now is the shield purge not working on implanted targets.

I'll have to look into this more

Yeah it is Karally.

I'm considering other ways to make those 2 towers better vs air. All my testing has shown me that the t4 towers destroy air now though

Dunno if this is supposed to be this way but the High vlocity cannon and upgrade have exact same AA figures 155 vs hover

just released 6.2

• baneling cost increased to 150
• baneling 30 second cooldown added

6.1

• slow towers fixed

BTW lurkers do not make your towers stop working, they just slow them

Release v6 Bug:

The slow on "Psionic Blast" does not work properly on targets debuffed with Spore Implanter. Specifically, it works almost not at all on air waves. Had 9 of those towers all focused on the Lvl 30 boss - it slowed it initially until the Implanter hit it, then it didn't get slowed again at all as it passed over my maze. It seemed to barely be working on ground waves as well. I noticed this in the testing too and simply forgot to mention it. It seems to be suffering the same effect as the way the slow used to function for other towers. However, the slow on Implosion Shrines seems to work fine, and the unique tower. If I recall, the upgraded T1 Energy slow also seems bugged.

Balance Concern:

Lvl 24 (Lurker) incapacitation range is too large. Should be closer to a range 3 AoE, not what it is now at about a 7. A 7 range AoE effectively covers most of a maze.

Edit:

Banelings need to have a cooldown. Just had a game where another player sold their entire base to grief the other team by mass purchasing banelings. This is way too easily abused.