SC2Mapster

Heh I feel ya. I got some time still so if you need help with the map contact me.

Just some more suggestions. This includes previous suggestions in case you missed them.

1. Revert back to 2 gas for when you teammate loses. 2 v 1 when all 3 players are good is impossible for the 1 person.

2. Have both players be affected by the aggro timer in 2 v 1 in aggro mode.

3. Possibly change assasin model to spector. (Visual variety purposes)

4. Change flaming berzerkers model to firebat (Logical)

5. If a person starts the game immediately in a 2 v 1 where the teammates pylon is nonexistent, then increase their income from anywhere of 2-4.

6. You probably did this in the upcoming patch but remove double income gain when your allie leaves with their pylon intact. I've had games where I won by controlling both pylons and both sets of unit structures easily.

7. More units! Which your working on :P

8. Again, make the income bonus with 3 gas more useful. Either make it 2-4 income increase or scrap the idea entirely. As of right now 1 income is insignificant especially in 2 v 1 where minerals are demanded.

9. This is a question but are you working on unit information menus for when your purchasing units similar to how you did the base defenses?

10. Option between 1 v 1 v 1 v 1 or 2 v 2 ingame or in battlenet lobby.

11. Do something so when doing commands like -stats and -ratings that beginners can understand the information. I've seen so many new players just be confused asking everyone what the information meant.

This is all I can think of for now. Unit wise in the game it seems really well balanced except the mule as was pointed out. Infestors and mules are extremely effective now against all ground attacks.

When is the next update that may or may not fix the map so that we can play with teams again. I have like 12 of us that like to play this game, and some of us just fight each other, but some of us like to fight pugs, makes the team things better. This custom tug stuff is retarded, no love at blizzard.

@Doomser91- He already said that the popular one is the wrong one in terms of the way its published. (Team setup and timer)

One more thing, to ease the pain in 2 v 1 make it so in aggro mode the opponent opposite you also triggers the unit spawn. As of right now it's only the player adjacent to you so changing this would force the other player to actually attack constantly unless he wants his allie to be overwhelmed preventing the wait until 2000 minerals and then attack onslaught.

Guide to Countering Elite Units

• Hero Zealots: 1 roach to tank followed by 2 ghosts. Use high temps for more.
• Hero Marauders (Firebats): 1 roach to tank followed by 2 ghosts.
• Sentries: 1 roach to tank followed by 2 ghosts.
• The other sentries: 1 roach to tank followed by 2 ghosts.
• Battlecruisers: 1 viking with 1 marine to distract.
• Thors: 1 tank
• Hero Ultralisks: 1 tank. Also somewhat weak to high temps in back of marauders.
• Hero Hydralisks: 2 or 3 ghosts.
• Hero Ghosts: 1 roach (sometimes). Add 1 of anything else to be sure.
• Infested Terran: 1 ghost at a time, before they get close.
• Hero Immortals: Handful of lings/marines.
• Broodlords: 1 Phoenix.

Of course, all those counters assume the elites are alone. When they start mixing and matching you need to think on your toes. Just remember:

• Ghosts own light armor, as long as you protect them.
• High temps do ridiculous damage to everything biological, sometimes enough to not even need cover.
• Tanks are awesome against armored units.
• Roaches are awesome at absorbing damage from non-armor-bonus units like ghosts and hellions.
• Thors own massed air.
• Colossus are rigged when protected.

good point. you could also have like in Desert Storm map where the initial health is chosen too. I know with all of that it becomes like 7 options in the beginning lol but hey, there are default settings anyways, so if the players dont choose them, then they can go to the default settings

I think there should be a special which resurrects your ally, even if they have left. However, it would require the shared income thing to be fixed. This would allow good players to compensate for quick-dying allies, but still require exceptional performance to win since you would need to multi-task.

@lid6j86- All are viable except for 3. The game did have defences early on and it simply dragged the game because there was no early action. What I like about the current version is that the moment the game start there can be significant action in the map where people are tested for their unit composition right away.

Here are my suggestions:

The games are too short. You can have a couple different things:

1: have a simple option at the end to "continue playing" or not, 2: Have "lives" where you can select like 3, 5, or 10 life games, where after a pylon dies, all units are removed and reset, and its like a points game. 3. have the pylon start with some sort of defense. Just like... cannon or something so that it doesn't end like 5 seconds after joining. 4. you could have a switch for which opponent you want to attack. Instead of always attacking the one in front of you, you could choose to attack the one to your side, or something like that.

those are my suggestions

2v1 is only a close game when the opponents suck. Two good players will act as one player with significantly more income as well as more total gas and double armageddons. There's no way to hold under the pressure they can apply.

@lighttemplar- my apologies, I thought you were talking about the unit and not the building.

feremuntrus - its not that simple lol, at least not with the game i was in. with the cost of only 400, its pretty easy to just send cheap waves of units like lings to be shield for the tank.

Lighttemplar- Tanks are easy to kill especially with collosi and 2 sets of zerglings kill tanks 1 on 1.

I got another observation. I finally played a game where it was a 2 v1 situation with me and 2 other good players. My allie died after like 1-2 minutes into the game. I was always aggressive and always doing the right counters but I eventually got overwhelmed because my income was still too low and my gas was at 2. I suggest changing the gas transfer back to 2 because in my situation not even infestors would save me because I kept getting attacked by archons and a bunch of other units.

Here's the replay for more insight.

http://rapidshare.com/files/416114722/BattleCraft__6_.SC2Replay