SC2Mapster

I think lurkers need a nerf, 2 x lurker counters too much too cost effectively.

Love the Game, only a teal sword atm but i practice often, would like to enter one of the turnys with my buddy, whens the next one?

I didn't save the replay, so I don't know exactly how it was done either. I assumed it was a suicide, so that the disruptors were killed instead of removed, just before the end of the round, so that the remove-all-units occurred in the delay before broodlings spawned.

@Strilanc: Go

I reported the broodling thing on page 3, I kinda assumed it was fixed since I haven't seen it since. I'm not sure how it is done.

Games with computer opponents shouldn't be rated. You can abuse it by adding a computer to the opposite team and force starting the game when a sucker joins. Works especially well if your ally is a stooge who will leave after you feed off of the computer for 10 minutes. Then you can easily kill the computer and "win" against a 1000+sucker_enemy_rating rated "opponent".

Then you kill the remaining opponent with your massive gas and score advantage thanks to an ally who left and feeding all game for another "win". If, on the other hand, you were the person I played last game, you would utterly fail even with that massive advantage. Then fail to even kill the computer opponent in the next round. With a "crown" rating. sigh

The broodlings from disruptors can live into the next round and attack pylons before players can defend themselves properly.

I thought perhaps a way to balance 2v1 's a bit is to make the max minerals 1000 for each player on the 2 side and leave it as 2k for the other player.

Minor quibbles:

• STILL not getting proper bonus income when people leave during the countdown
• STILL getting a weird double bonus income when your dead ally leaves 10 minutes later
• Unstable gems need a bigger minimap image. They are too powerful when surprising.
• DTs should do less damage to pylons. It's not fun when games end that way. Watching your ally's DTs closing in is basically watching the game go from interesting to boring.
• Sometimes terrazine timers show incredibly large values (millions), but income is still 0. Maybe it goes negative but is treated as an unsigned type?

I watched the replay. He may have only been playing around, but what he was doing caused it to happen so it's an exploit as opposed to an uncontrollable glitch.

The exploit was done by merging templars into archons after the end of a round. Merging has a negative gas and mineral cost for some reason, so he ends up with 1650 gas. Then he starts spamming the "increase income" upgrade. Apparently there's a small amount of time between when income is zero-ed and when resources are zero-ed, and in that time he manages to get 6 income upgrades.

He also uses another silly trick you probability didn't even notice. He flew his SCV over to the spawning building area and spawned a changeling there. The game interpreted it as a unit to spawn and dutifully created 12 changelings at his pylon.

If dark templar countered massive units, in a toned down way similar to their hero counterpart, both a few problems would be solved or improved. I suggest giving them a weaker attack, but make them prioritize massive and units and give their attack a mediocre AoE when hitting massive units.

• DTs would have a purpose beyond killing thors and surprising inattentive players at the start.
• The weaker direct attack would reduce the frequency of newbies wasting money on DT rushes at the start, because they would know their victim would have more time to react.
• DTs would probably counter infestors, which have no good counter now. As long as they prioritize massive units they will be able to avoid surrounding unit spam and hurt the infestors themselves.

Someone sent me this screenshot http://imageshack.us/f/830/perphgames72min24income.png/ which is apparantly an exploit which grants 12 extra income at the start of a round.. Replay: Link Removed: http://www.mediafire.com/?u75e2b6y6j1i556

@The_Animus: Go

I think lurkers aren't too bad and warp prisms can be countered quite easily with vindicators.

In terms of suggestions, maybe buff the units that nobody uses, eg aberattions, those other sentries that spawn broodlings, pheonix, maybe a few others.

Also maybe a hyper hyper mode. Like hyper but even faster for very intense games. Also I wish a hyper 3/4 vote would go through. I swear people are not voting hyper in order to troll and hope their opponent leaves for free points these days.

Been a while Tordecybombo. You still alive and kickin?

Anyway the 3 things I'd like to see most if you're still updating this map are as follows:

1. Bring back aggro mode as an option. Just like for hyper. Some people like it, some people don't, but at least this gives the option. 2. Nerf Lurkers: At the moment they are just too good against too many different units. Yes they can be countered. However it is very difficult when mixed well with other units. They need a SLIGHT damage reduction. 3. Nerf Void Prisms: Again not hard to counter exactly but far too often AA units will not focus on the prisms which leaves them there to destroy an entire army. I don't know exactly how targeting priority works but I know in other maps they've been able to edit it so if possible AA units should prioritize prisms. This one seems like it would be the hardest to balance properly.

Still dropping at the start some times.

The 2v1 startinc income (not gas) should be increased to +3 or +4.

Still getting double bonus when a dead player leaves, and no bonus when a player leaves as soon as the game begins.

How's the 6v6 coming along? I'm really excited to try it out! :)

• Edit* Also reduce lurker dmg just a tiny tiny bit

@tordecybombo: Go

Sorry <700 value armies (just an estimate). Definitely building a group or marines or something gave 0 terrazine. Opponent income was <40 I don't remember specifics.

Link Removed: http://www.mediafire.com/?7auwp7ac4gs4wa9 Here is the replay.