As a mapmaker and a Blizzard fan, I refuse to post or play any more maps until this Popularity game is over.
I am asking for SC2Mapster support.
I would also ask that users create a custom map named END THE POPULARITY CONTEST and post it as a protest to blizzard.
Thanks
Please GET RID OF the popularity contest. Revert back to the custom titles for custom games that Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 3 had.
I don't want to play the same 25 maps that are on the first page of the popularity list, or wait 30 minutes for enough people to get in the game and be patient enough to wait that long. This popularity system is absurd because unless 1000 people already know about it, no one will ever know about it. I hate it.
It is literally killing the creative aspect of map creation, distribution, and popularity potential.
Why can't I see a list of currently open games, perhaps telling me how many are currently in the game and the average ping?
ehhh, Give 'em a month or two. What's the hurry? Does anyone really have a super polished map at this point that needs to be #1? Lets just take it easy, make our maps and have a bit of faith in blizz :P
Not only will your map not be #1, it wont be number 2 or 5 or 25
You wont be able to get enough players to actually play it...... it will sit dormant at the bottom of a list.
No, I do not wish to wait 6 - 9 months before Blizzard catches on.
I'm very much against the current popularity system, and I think grouping by category and allowing searches would be much more effective. That said, I have had no trouble getting my newest map to be popular so far (it hasn't been on page 1, but it was at the very top of page 2) and I released it several days after the game was released because I got my copy by mail. I didn't boost it or anything beyond playing through it 3 or 4 times with friends, but you'll notice that even having 3 or 4 plays puts it above like 70% (just a guess) of the maps on the list, giving it a significant advantage in being found.
I think it's partly just luck or name recognition as well, since my map is named similarly to my first map and to a ton of SC1 maps (special forces). I haven't even bothered re-uploading my first special forces map since the game came out because by the time I had my copy of the game like 2 or 3 others had uploaded it and one of them was on the first page.
Haha, why do you think blizzard has all the category lists for maps in the first place? Lets face truth here, blizzard rushed the release a bit with regards to the map editor. We can see they want all this functionality some of it's there, they just need to impliment it. Hell, we've even seen the shots from blizzcon showing rating and the like.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be vocal either, I made a few posts on bnet saying this are pretty f'd right now in terms of map development, but all this doom saying is pretty unfounded considering hte games only been out a couple weeks.
Seriously, instead of refusing to make maps all together, and put up a map that says "END THE POPULARITY CONTEST" (Which may actually get you in trouble with Blizzard) why not make your map, test it, fix it, and continue this? There is 2 threads on the Battle.net forums that are filled with "I HATE THE POPULARITY SYSTEM" and possibly more that aren't threads made by Blizzard. I am sure they will eventually change the system, but until then why not make a map? Or if your not a map maker, and you are supporting this because it's "too difficult" to click Show More several times to find a map you like, then just click it. It isn't too hard, a Strike is not needed for a bad choice they have had for 1 and a half weeks of release.
Seriously, instead of refusing to make maps all together, and put up a map that says "END THE POPULARITY CONTEST" (Which may actually get you in trouble with Blizzard)
I found getting scared of company what are you paying, a little... i don't know... scary?
"too difficult" to click Show More several times to find a map you like, then just click it.
what? What? What?!
Few times? You can click few times and maps stop showing up, and if you enter map which position is lower than #Top 10 you need to wait a serious time to get the full lobby.
And MOST, and by most i mean about 95% of the accessible maps are boring and stupid.
Unfortunately making a map like this will only get you into trouble and use one more spot in the current system, thus removing one more map from being played. They are aware of the problem and are trying right now to find solutions.
I think people have reached a boiling point though lol... this isn't the first time I've seen a rage on sc2mapster boards about popularity haha. People create something and then have no outlet to enjoy it... kind of hurts I guess :/
I had one map on page 1, and that was all fine and dandy... but I have a 2nd map coming out soon and I've basically accepted it probably won't get enough exposure to move up lol. I have hope that I'll be able to play it some day publicly when the system changes!
What I'd love about having a warcraft 3 style list is that we can finally see which maps are ACTUALLY popular. Because right now the fact that a map is on page 1 influences its amount of time played more than the actual quality of the map (I think... I'm basing this off of the maps that I've seen there).
No, I'm not a Blizzard agent, I just think that going on a "strike" to stop making maps won't really do much considering people have already put this argument up all around the internet. And I play maps that aren't on the first page all the time. I actually rarely play games on the top because they get boring really fast, so I do actually press that "Show More" button quite often.
Give them some time, they really won't leave us in the dark.
However, the more the popularity in the constructive protest thread on blizzard, the higher the priority to fix.
I've already contributed to the thread, i'd like all of you to do the same.
How can I not be at the boiling point? First they try to shove this Real ID down our throats until guys like me spoke up and raised hell and finally got it changed. And this popularity system is just another ignorant idea in a series of igorance.
So what's this great map that you made that the popularity system is preventing people from playing? I'd be willing to give it a shot.
Then again if you haven't actually made anything I'm having a hard time understanding why you posted this on a mapmaking forum when there's an official venue for complaints that Blizzard will actually read.
Everytime I see a post like this that bashes blizzard I want to say
listen you little sob! Blizzard spent time developing THEIR product, they made it the way they invisioned it. Not you, not me, they. Now if features aren't as user friendly as you'd like you can give constructive feedback and they might listen. BUT it's their product and they don't have to listen. So next time u have the "smart" idea to be a immature prick and mud sling, just keep it to yourself.
but people would then just label me as a troll or call my post a flame.. So instead I'll be polite and say,
this post is off topic and should be moved. This is the map development section.
I'm pretty sure Blizzard said during beta that they were going to make major changes with the custom map and publishing system, but it would likely appear in a content patch following release.
It's only been a few days since the game has been released, and I wouldn't exactly expect a content patch soon. Just be patient; I'm quite sure Blizzard is already aware that changes are needed, and doing things like this doesn't help.
I hate hosting a custom game and not have ANYONE join. I hate having to play only the top 10 custom maps because those are only the ones that people will goto the lobby.
As a mapmaker and a Blizzard fan, I refuse to post or play any more maps until this Popularity game is over.
I am asking for SC2Mapster support.
I would also ask that users create a custom map named END THE POPULARITY CONTEST and post it as a protest to blizzard.
Thanks
Please GET RID OF the popularity contest. Revert back to the custom titles for custom games that Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 3 had.
I don't want to play the same 25 maps that are on the first page of the popularity list, or wait 30 minutes for enough people to get in the game and be patient enough to wait that long. This popularity system is absurd because unless 1000 people already know about it, no one will ever know about it. I hate it.
It is literally killing the creative aspect of map creation, distribution, and popularity potential.
Why can't I see a list of currently open games, perhaps telling me how many are currently in the game and the average ping?
@BudSMoken: Go
ehhh, Give 'em a month or two. What's the hurry? Does anyone really have a super polished map at this point that needs to be #1? Lets just take it easy, make our maps and have a bit of faith in blizz :P
They will probbly change it. I mean look at all those fans raging... 30% of blizz forums are filled with protest against popularity system...
@crazyfingers619: Go
Not only will your map not be #1, it wont be number 2 or 5 or 25 You wont be able to get enough players to actually play it...... it will sit dormant at the bottom of a list.
No, I do not wish to wait 6 - 9 months before Blizzard catches on.
they could at the very least give the option to view by other parameters besides popularity
I'm very much against the current popularity system, and I think grouping by category and allowing searches would be much more effective. That said, I have had no trouble getting my newest map to be popular so far (it hasn't been on page 1, but it was at the very top of page 2) and I released it several days after the game was released because I got my copy by mail. I didn't boost it or anything beyond playing through it 3 or 4 times with friends, but you'll notice that even having 3 or 4 plays puts it above like 70% (just a guess) of the maps on the list, giving it a significant advantage in being found.
I think it's partly just luck or name recognition as well, since my map is named similarly to my first map and to a ton of SC1 maps (special forces). I haven't even bothered re-uploading my first special forces map since the game came out because by the time I had my copy of the game like 2 or 3 others had uploaded it and one of them was on the first page.
Haha, why do you think blizzard has all the category lists for maps in the first place? Lets face truth here, blizzard rushed the release a bit with regards to the map editor. We can see they want all this functionality some of it's there, they just need to impliment it. Hell, we've even seen the shots from blizzcon showing rating and the like.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be vocal either, I made a few posts on bnet saying this are pretty f'd right now in terms of map development, but all this doom saying is pretty unfounded considering hte games only been out a couple weeks.
/supporting
Seriously, instead of refusing to make maps all together, and put up a map that says "END THE POPULARITY CONTEST" (Which may actually get you in trouble with Blizzard) why not make your map, test it, fix it, and continue this? There is 2 threads on the Battle.net forums that are filled with "I HATE THE POPULARITY SYSTEM" and possibly more that aren't threads made by Blizzard. I am sure they will eventually change the system, but until then why not make a map? Or if your not a map maker, and you are supporting this because it's "too difficult" to click Show More several times to find a map you like, then just click it. It isn't too hard, a Strike is not needed for a bad choice they have had for 1 and a half weeks of release.
I found getting scared of company what are you paying, a little... i don't know... scary?
what? What? What?!
Few times? You can click few times and maps stop showing up, and if you enter map which position is lower than #Top 10 you need to wait a serious time to get the full lobby.
And MOST, and by most i mean about 95% of the accessible maps are boring and stupid.
Seriously... are you an Acti Blizz agent?
this is why i only make single player maps :D
Unfortunately making a map like this will only get you into trouble and use one more spot in the current system, thus removing one more map from being played. They are aware of the problem and are trying right now to find solutions.
If you are against the popularity system, please report it to blizz in this thread: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248107291
And, instead of spending your time finding how to piss Blizzard off, you should use it to create great maps, it will have a much bigger impact :)
@vjeux: Go
Well put.
I think people have reached a boiling point though lol... this isn't the first time I've seen a rage on sc2mapster boards about popularity haha. People create something and then have no outlet to enjoy it... kind of hurts I guess :/
I had one map on page 1, and that was all fine and dandy... but I have a 2nd map coming out soon and I've basically accepted it probably won't get enough exposure to move up lol. I have hope that I'll be able to play it some day publicly when the system changes!
What I'd love about having a warcraft 3 style list is that we can finally see which maps are ACTUALLY popular. Because right now the fact that a map is on page 1 influences its amount of time played more than the actual quality of the map (I think... I'm basing this off of the maps that I've seen there).
@PvtChevron:
No, I'm not a Blizzard agent, I just think that going on a "strike" to stop making maps won't really do much considering people have already put this argument up all around the internet. And I play maps that aren't on the first page all the time. I actually rarely play games on the top because they get boring really fast, so I do actually press that "Show More" button quite often.
Give them some time, they really won't leave us in the dark.
However, the more the popularity in the constructive protest thread on blizzard, the higher the priority to fix.
I've already contributed to the thread, i'd like all of you to do the same.
How can I not be at the boiling point? First they try to shove this Real ID down our throats until guys like me spoke up and raised hell and finally got it changed. And this popularity system is just another ignorant idea in a series of igorance.
So what's this great map that you made that the popularity system is preventing people from playing? I'd be willing to give it a shot.
Then again if you haven't actually made anything I'm having a hard time understanding why you posted this on a mapmaking forum when there's an official venue for complaints that Blizzard will actually read.
Everytime I see a post like this that bashes blizzard I want to say
listen you little sob! Blizzard spent time developing THEIR product, they made it the way they invisioned it. Not you, not me, they. Now if features aren't as user friendly as you'd like you can give constructive feedback and they might listen. BUT it's their product and they don't have to listen. So next time u have the "smart" idea to be a immature prick and mud sling, just keep it to yourself.
but people would then just label me as a troll or call my post a flame.. So instead I'll be polite and say,
this post is off topic and should be moved. This is the map development section.
I'm pretty sure Blizzard said during beta that they were going to make major changes with the custom map and publishing system, but it would likely appear in a content patch following release.
It's only been a few days since the game has been released, and I wouldn't exactly expect a content patch soon. Just be patient; I'm quite sure Blizzard is already aware that changes are needed, and doing things like this doesn't help.
What we need is Dedicated servers!
I hate hosting a custom game and not have ANYONE join. I hate having to play only the top 10 custom maps because those are only the ones that people will goto the lobby.
Double rainbow ftl