Hello mods. I would like to point out an incident that happened today that kind of shocked me, this user is a regular, and most of you know him... His name will be left out though.
I just want to point out that, since I've joined sc2mapster irc, I have spent many hours a day just helping people who come there, even if I don't know the answer I spend my time with them figuring it out. Once it took over 6 hours just to debug a simple spawning behavior. Neither one of us understood the behavior options; yet I sat thru it until it worked 100%
The point is, I was in the middle of helping another user, when this user actually berated me for giving out incorrect information...even though he made me look like a complete dumb-ass, and talked to me like I was a little kid I took it lightly UNTIL, I remembered a map I saw, and gave him a "nice" piece of my mind. I produced the map, and instead of apologizing he just side stepped the issue with a comment about his information being 11 months old....
(The funny thing, was 11 months ago that same information was still incorrect)
[04:17] <Brainshack> use records!
01[04:17] <Ibebusiness> or that
...
01[04:19] <Ibebusiness> a record can hold more records
01[04:19] <Ibebusiness> and each record can hold variables
...
[04:21] <XenoX101> how do you reference a record
01[04:22] <Ibebusiness> like a variable
01[04:22] <Ibebusiness> no different
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[04:44] <XenoX101> whats this about records not being parsable though
...
[04:45] <XenoX101> a guy made a comment
[04:45] <XenoX101> on a youtube vid
[04:45] <XenoX101> not parsable through paramters
!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:47] <UNKNOWN> "Sadly this is not possible. Records can not be used within another record nor can they be passed as parameters to actions/functions."
01[05:22] <Ibebusiness> UNKNOWN you can download it too
.....
[05:25] <UNKNOWN> well, the video was 11 months old
[05:26] <UNKNOWN> so things might have changed since then
We later found out that the guy who made the video probably did not understand in what order records have to be in order to be nested, so 11 months old or not. Nothing changed. This was a prime example someone putting another user down who was trying to help...
If you have had a problem with a user on IRC, I suggest PMing a mod, sixen in paticular, especially as he will be the only one with and power to do anything about it
While he was being a douche, your reply was equally immature and unnecessary.
You don't need to respond to a douche by being an equal or greater douche. There are plenty of other ways to both prove them wrong and make them look foolish. If I had been in the IRC at the time I would have started trolling both of you for being childish.
People are going to troll you. That is a fact. Learn to handle it better in the future and trolling will be less of a problem.
Essentially, if someone comes along while you're helping a kid ride his bike and says "Wow you suck at life," just how appropriate is it to reply with "Well you're a bleepity bleep bleep bleeper! Oh, and your mother is a whore!"
Who did more harm to that child after all is said and done?
Essentially, if someone comes along while you're helping a kid ride his back and says "Wow you suck at life," just how appropriate is it to reply with "Well you're a bleepity bleep bleep bleeper! Oh, and your mother is a whore!"
Not at all, I agree; 'your father smelled of elderberry' is the correct retort in this case.
On-topic, there isn't much to be said aside from "wow, that's pretty sad".
Get the records, anyone not posting here is the suspect.
Posting here then. Dont really use the IRC much anyway, but still, lol... And I have no idea about records anyway
and Moz, what's up with you and smelling of elderberry? xD Never heard that before last Map Night where you used it in every debate
Anyway, Prozaic is rigt. Instead if being a bigger ass, be nice :) It annoys the real ass even more than sinking to his level.
"Always forgive your enemies - Nothing annoys them more." - Some random quote I found ages ago on the interwebs
I put records inside of records all the time. It's declared just like any other record (a record is a variable), but inside of another record.
What you can't do is make a circular reference. You can not put a record inside of itself. For example, if you were making some like a linked list or tree data structure, you might make a "Node" record, and want to store other Nodes inside of it. You can't do that. The GUI simply won't let you. You can "work around" this by making a second record to hold the first, but the cicular reference will crash the game.
That said, my game has some highly nested records. Some of them run like 4-5 records deep. It's a great way to organize data. I just wish we could use pointers to reference them...
Using records inside of another record is very useful indeed. The only think you have to do is to declare the records before using them inside another record.
IRC and Mapster are two different things. Most mods on mapster are not IRC mods and vice versa. I think Sixen and Kealten (think thats the correct spelling) are the only 2 mods on both, and Kealten never posts on mapster because he is too busy with other curse sites (He is an admin of curse iirc).
So best thing to do would be to PM Sixen about it.
Using records inside of another record is very useful indeed. The only think you have to do is to declare the records before using them inside another record.
Is this like the Starcraft version of Inception?
@Watcher; I just happen to like elderberries. That said, I've only used it two or three times in the last week or such, you just happen to be around me every time I do =P
Everyone please note in order to put a record inside or a record, there has to be an order to how they are declared
Record A
Record B
Record C
Record A has to be declared first, before record B or C can store A.
Record A CANNOT store Record B or C in this case.
Record B can store A but not C
and
Record C can store A and B.
Please correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure thats how it has to be in order to nest records, YOU WILL GET A COMPILE ERROR!
Hello mods. I would like to point out an incident that happened today that kind of shocked me, this user is a regular, and most of you know him... His name will be left out though.
I just want to point out that, since I've joined sc2mapster irc, I have spent many hours a day just helping people who come there, even if I don't know the answer I spend my time with them figuring it out. Once it took over 6 hours just to debug a simple spawning behavior. Neither one of us understood the behavior options; yet I sat thru it until it worked 100%
The point is, I was in the middle of helping another user, when this user actually berated me for giving out incorrect information...even though he made me look like a complete dumb-ass, and talked to me like I was a little kid I took it lightly UNTIL, I remembered a map I saw, and gave him a "nice" piece of my mind. I produced the map, and instead of apologizing he just side stepped the issue with a comment about his information being 11 months old....
(The funny thing, was 11 months ago that same information was still incorrect)
[04:17] <Brainshack> use records!
01[04:17] <Ibebusiness> or that ...
01[04:19] <Ibebusiness> a record can hold more records
01[04:19] <Ibebusiness> and each record can hold variables ...
[04:21] <XenoX101> how do you reference a record
01[04:22] <Ibebusiness> like a variable
01[04:22] <Ibebusiness> no different ...
[04:44] <XenoX101> whats this about records not being parsable though ...
[04:45] <XenoX101> a guy made a comment
[04:45] <XenoX101> on a youtube vid
[04:45] <XenoX101> not parsable through paramters
!!!!!!!!!!!! [04:47] <UNKNOWN> "Sadly this is not possible. Records can not be used within another record nor can they be passed as parameters to actions/functions."
[04:47] <UNKNOWN> someone doesnt know shit. !!!!!!!!!!!
01[04:48] <Ibebusiness> A, records not being used within anoher record is a minor point.
!!!!!!!!!!! [04:48] <UNKNOWN> its still wrong to say because it DOES work !!!!!!!!!!!
01[04:48] <Ibebusiness> My mistake, you can always make another record
[04:49] <UNKNOWN> MAYBE not in the GUI
[04:49] <UNKNOWN> but in galaxy it works.
01[04:49] <Ibebusiness> okay well hes not doing galaxy hes doing gui
01[04:49] <Ibebusiness> and we were in the middle of figuring out the passibility
01[04:50] <Ibebusiness> so not knowing shit, and not knowing everything are two different things
!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:50] <UNKNOWN> then the correct answer wouldve been "Sorry, doesnt work in the GUI, but it does in the underlying scripting language."
!!!!!!!!!!!
01[04:50] <Ibebusiness> wtf
[04:50] <UNKNOWN> also, you CAN pass structs and arrays to functions.
01[04:50] <Ibebusiness> how would I say that unless I knew
01[04:51] <Ibebusiness> UNKNOWN why dont you school him how to use it instead.
[04:51] <UNKNOWN> its just so severly limited...
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[05:15] <XenoX101> ibebusiness, I found out why this wont work
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[05:16] <XenoX101> I cant seem to make the array outside of the action definition
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01[05:17] <Ibebusiness> and you cant put records inside or records apparently
....
(at this point I remembered where I got my information from, and looked for the map and loaded it)
01[05:19] <Ibebusiness> bullshit im looking at three records inside of a single record
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[05:19] <XenoX101> are you sure
01[05:19] <Ibebusiness> yes
01[05:20] <Ibebusiness> I will send you a map showing
[05:20] <XenoX101> hm
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01[05:21] <Ibebusiness> fucking asshole, looks like someone doesnt KNOW SHIT
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01[05:22] <Ibebusiness> http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=bb01d5088e3bc45ac77c74675755f2f3
01[05:22] <Ibebusiness> UNKNOWN you can download it too
.....
[05:25] <UNKNOWN> well, the video was 11 months old
[05:26] <UNKNOWN> so things might have changed since then
We later found out that the guy who made the video probably did not understand in what order records have to be in order to be nested, so 11 months old or not. Nothing changed. This was a prime example someone putting another user down who was trying to help...
wow....
@iSaintx: Go
I apologise, it was a rant, but still.
If you have had a problem with a user on IRC, I suggest PMing a mod, sixen in paticular, especially as he will be the only one with and power to do anything about it
While he was being a douche, your reply was equally immature and unnecessary.
You don't need to respond to a douche by being an equal or greater douche. There are plenty of other ways to both prove them wrong and make them look foolish. If I had been in the IRC at the time I would have started trolling both of you for being childish.
People are going to troll you. That is a fact. Learn to handle it better in the future and trolling will be less of a problem.
Essentially, if someone comes along while you're helping a kid ride his bike and says "Wow you suck at life," just how appropriate is it to reply with "Well you're a bleepity bleep bleep bleeper! Oh, and your mother is a whore!"
Who did more harm to that child after all is said and done?
Not at all, I agree; 'your father smelled of elderberry' is the correct retort in this case.
On-topic, there isn't much to be said aside from "wow, that's pretty sad".
for the record it wasn't me.
@Mephs: Go
Get the records, anyone not posting here is the suspect.
Posting here then. Dont really use the IRC much anyway, but still, lol... And I have no idea about records anyway
and Moz, what's up with you and smelling of elderberry? xD Never heard that before last Map Night where you used it in every debate
Anyway, Prozaic is rigt. Instead if being a bigger ass, be nice :) It annoys the real ass even more than sinking to his level.
"Always forgive your enemies - Nothing annoys them more." - Some random quote I found ages ago on the interwebs
How do I get to IRC even? I'd like to see if I can help people with my knowledge. ^^
On Topic: Prozaic really summed it up, nothing else to really say.
@iSaintx: Go
Look at my siggy!
A record in a record.. Even I didn't know that was possible. How on earth would it be declared in script >_>
@FuzzYD: Go
I put records inside of records all the time. It's declared just like any other record (a record is a variable), but inside of another record.
What you can't do is make a circular reference. You can not put a record inside of itself. For example, if you were making some like a linked list or tree data structure, you might make a "Node" record, and want to store other Nodes inside of it. You can't do that. The GUI simply won't let you. You can "work around" this by making a second record to hold the first, but the cicular reference will crash the game.
That said, my game has some highly nested records. Some of them run like 4-5 records deep. It's a great way to organize data. I just wish we could use pointers to reference them...
Using records inside of another record is very useful indeed. The only think you have to do is to declare the records before using them inside another record.
Since somebody's going to find out anyways...
IRC and Mapster are two different things. Most mods on mapster are not IRC mods and vice versa. I think Sixen and Kealten (think thats the correct spelling) are the only 2 mods on both, and Kealten never posts on mapster because he is too busy with other curse sites (He is an admin of curse iirc).
So best thing to do would be to PM Sixen about it.
Is this like the Starcraft version of Inception?
@Watcher; I just happen to like elderberries. That said, I've only used it two or three times in the last week or such, you just happen to be around me every time I do =P
@Mozared: Go
Starception!
Everyone please note in order to put a record inside or a record, there has to be an order to how they are declared
Record A Record B Record C
Record A has to be declared first, before record B or C can store A. Record A CANNOT store Record B or C in this case. Record B can store A but not C and Record C can store A and B.
Please correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure thats how it has to be in order to nest records, YOU WILL GET A COMPILE ERROR!
Alright, this has to be posted now;
http://inception.davepedu.com/
Now I shall take my leave and off-topicness from this thread.