SC2Mapster

Hi

I am working on a module for melee maps, aiming to simplify controls for new or casual players. I am now working on a « auto-train » feature : a left-click on a button will train one single unit, while a right-click will activate auto-train. I started on the SCV.

Yet :

• I have create a new button : « SCV train (auto) », by duplication of the « SCV train » button
• I have associated this button to the command center control panel
• I have create a new «Effect - instant » from scratch called « SCV train (auto) »
• I have associated this new effect with the button
• I have set the effect to enable auto-cast.
• I have set the autocast validator to « Hangar Queue Empty » (not sure if it is correct).

My problems : Now, I would like to link the effect to the default « SCV train » ability, to allow the training of a scv each time I click on the button. But I don't find where nor how to do this. (I can't find where i can define a « issue order » effect.)

Thank you for your help !

Thank you for your answer… but I am starting from ground and nothing seems to work.

Even the second button I made do not appear in the command center… I have spend all my afternoon to make something as easy as that… so frustrating. ^^

So lets (re)start from the beginning…

Is there something to do to activate my button ? (Do I have to link it to an ability yet ?) Why are there 3 command centers in my unit list ?

Thank you to spend time.

Edit : yes, i had to attach the button to an ability in the control panel of the command center, and the 3 command centers are related to dependencies i guess. I have press a button and now each item do appear only once.

Quote from DrSuperEvil: Go

Does the unit have the ability? Is it added to the command card? Does the ability have the command?

Sounds like you modified a melee default.

Just make sure you have placed the correct variant of command centre.

Hi Doctor !

Now the button appear, as I have linked it to the basic « Train SCV » ability. What do you mean by : « Does the ability have the command? » Do you mean that the ability has been set-up with a default button ? Yes, I did.

I have created an « instant effect » ability (« Train SCV (auto) ») and a « issue order » effect. The instant effect ability is linked to the « issue order » effect and the « issue order » effect order the basic « Train SCV » ability.

But, for now, I can't add the « Train SCV (auto) » to the abilities of the command center, nor can I link the button of the control panel to this ability. I don't know why…

Quote from DrSuperEvil: Go

Sounds like you modified a melee default.

Just make sure you have placed the correct variant of command centre.

Not sure what you mean… How can I know which variant is the good one ?

Thank you for your help.

Hi Dr !

I have made big progress, thanks to you ! It almost work !

One problem only is remaining : when I keep the 2 buttons (« Train SCV » and « Train SCV auto ») all is fine ; but when i delete the button for the basic « Train SCV » in the control panel of the command center, i have a graphic bug : the portrait of the scv is not displayed correctly on the production queue of the command center. Is it a bug, or did i failed something ?

I attach a screenshot of it, as well as my mod as it will be easier to understand.

Best regards

Hi !

Thank you for your answer ! I found a very clean way to solve the problem : seems that the train abilities are in fact auto-castables !

This is the way to access to the option (data editor) :

Open the train ability : (Command Center - Train (Command Center))

» Double-click on the field : (Basic) Ability : Info+

» Double-click on the line of the unit for which you want activate auto-train (SCV)

» Scroll down at the bottom of the page, in the « Info^ - Train - flags^» just check the « Auto-cast » option.

So simple !

Quote from DrSuperEvil: Go

You mean like the Locust of a certain zerg unit...

Thought you wanted extra stuff like needs an upgrade to be autocast.

Seems that I never produced a single swarm host in my whole sc2-career ! ;)

But what i wanted (and have now) is a bit different : it is a structure, with a queue, which produce the units and release them as soon as they are ready.

Quote from Krystof74: Go

But what i wanted (and have now) is a bit different : it is a structure, with a queue, which produce the units and release them as soon as they are ready.

I'm assuming you're going to use triggers to control the auto casting a bit. This could actually wreck a new player who suddenly has 24 scvs on a 16 saturation command center, or never has enough minerals to upgrade his army of auto trained marines. If I'm understanding the concept correctly.

Quote from BigDonRob: Go

I'm assuming you're going to use triggers to control the auto casting a bit. This could actually wreck a new player who suddenly has 24 scvs on a 16 saturation command center, or never has enough minerals to upgrade his army of auto trained marines. If I'm understanding the concept correctly.

To be frank, I don't think I will add this kind of control.

I will see what are the feed-back of players playing my map, but my aim is not to make everything automated, but to let the player focus on strategy instead of mechanics. Starting or stopping a production (of vcs or marines) is, from my point of view, a strategical decision.

But what I should do is to give over-numbered workers an idle status, and add a more visual alert for idle workers.

Thank you for your interest.

Quote from DrSuperEvil: Go

Using a requirement you could do a logic feature using a buff system so command centres automatically disable autocast if the number of workers exceeds the number of minable minerals if ordered to rally at a mineral.

Thank you. I will use this tip if I change my mind and decide to implement such a feature.

Quote from Krystof74: Go

To be frank, I don't think I will add this kind of control.

It's simply my opinion, but as a low APM player, I know it's hard to keep track of what's going on at home while you're protecting an expansion. Often times I will come back to have a stockpile of resources and absolutely no army. So I like the idea. But on the same note, If I come back to find I don't have the resources to tech up but I have a pile of marines that still can't stim, it's equally imba for a novice player.

But if this map is for training purposes, I think a solution you could look at is to have a "Piggy Bank" variable that is the amount of resources that the autocast can't use. This variable can be increased by a certain amount over time. This allows a player to have enough resources to do things they need as they near the mid game mark. But, it also has a side effect of weening a character off relying on the computer to pick up their slack.

Quote from BigDonRob: Go

It's simply my opinion, but as a low APM player, I know it's hard to keep track of what's going on at home while you're protecting an expansion. Often times I will come back to have a stockpile of resources and absolutely no army. So I like the idea. But on the same note, If I come back to find I don't have the resources to tech up but I have a pile of marines that still can't stim, it's equally imba for a novice player.

But if this map is for training purposes, I think a solution you could look at is to have a "Piggy Bank" variable that is the amount of resources that the autocast can't use. This variable can be increased by a certain amount over time. This allows a player to have enough resources to do things they need as they near the mid game mark. But, it also has a side effect of weening a character off relying on the computer to pick up their slack.

Hi

I think you should not worry by that, since you will probably be supply block long before this happens… (And a feature will be added to warn the player when he is approaching supply block).

Anyway, you can discuss the futures features of this mod in the « Project Workplace » section : [Mod] Ctrl+eZ : Take the control !

Thank you !